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Does this map by any chance mention the amount of Ukrainian troops that has been destroyed/captured during this slow process?
Found this in the comments section....Kyiv Independent so a bit inflated but it really doesn't matter Russian losses have been massive. I don't doubt Ukraine has paid a price but Ukraine has been magnificent in holding the line. Every day, at a terrible cost, they have been consuming more and more Russian combat power.
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Gee, for being "effed", Russia has been making surprising progress. For the time being, they "own" most of Ukraine's southern coast, and are working on getting the rest. Next up: eastern Moldova (Transnistria). Your post, and a few others like it, sound like the typical American false bravado.
Fun fact, Russia has less territory under its control then they did earlier. This is how wars go, back and forth unless one side breaks. So far that doesn't look like Ukraine. Which means this can be a long war. Utterly devastating to Russias economy and military. For nothing but Putins ego.
I guess it's time to whip out the hypersonic missiles and missiles carrying decoys. FYI, such air defense systems don't work well against the caliber of advanced missiles Russia fields. In addition, the Ukrainians are not going to be supplied with the latest greatest technology as you can't afford the chance of such a system falling into enemy hands for evaluation.
Which sounds nice except the reality is the "advanced missiles" have a large failure rate, and are being used to strike at non-military targets.
And we sent our MLRS systems, the HIMARS and its ammo are more recent then anything they are blowing up. So while we aren't handing over black projects or anything truly advanced, the stuff we are sending is far better then what its facing.
The Kremlin is likely setting conditions for crypto-mobilization of the Russian economy in preparation for a protracted war in Ukraine.
The Kremlin proposed an amendment to federal laws on Russian Armed Forces supply matters to the Russian State Duma on June 30, that would introduce “special measures in the economic sphere” obliging Russian businesses (regardless of ownership) to supply Russian special military and counterterrorist operations.[1] The amendment would prohibit Russian businesses from refusing to accept state orders for special military operations and allow the Kremlin to change employee contracts and work conditions, such as forcing workers to work during the night or federal holidays. The Kremlin noted in the amendment’s description that the ongoing special military operation in Ukraine exposed supply shortages, specifically materials needed to repair military equipment, and stated that Russian officials need to “concentrate their efforts in certain sectors of the economy." Russian President Vladimir Putin is likely mobilizing the Russian economy and industry to sustain the ongoing war effort, but has not yet taken parallel measures to mobilize Russian manpower on a large scale.
Russian authorities are likely taking measures to integrate the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (NPP) directly into the Russian energy system, contradicting previous Russian statements that the Zaporizhzhia NPP would sell electricity to Ukraine.
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Russian forces continued efforts to encircle Lysychansk and conducted offensive operations to the south and southwest of the city.
Russian forces have likely not yet reached the T1302 Bakhmut-Lysychansk highway on the ground but are denying Ukrainian forces use of it by continuing artillery and airstrikes against remaining Ukrainian positions along the road.
Russian forces focused on regrouping and improving their tactical positions north of Slovyansk.
Russian forces did not conduct any confirmed ground assaults in northern Kharkiv Oblast and continued shelling Ukrainian positions north of Kharkiv City.
Russian forces conducted artillery and missile strikes along the Southern Axis.
Russian authorities continue efforts to expand the pool of recruits available to fight in Ukraine.
Activity in Russian-occupied Areas
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Russian authorities continued to set conditions for the economic and legal integration of occupied territories into Russian systems on July 1. The Ukrainian Resistance Center reported that Russian authorities in occupied Kherson Oblast closed the Kherson branch of Ukrposhta (the Ukrainian national postal service) as part of the overall effort to force Ukrainian enterprises in occupied areas to convert to the ruble.[34] Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov similarly stated that Russian authorities are ”planting” rubles in Melitopol to facilitate economic annexation of businesses.[35] Russian authorities are also continuing ”passportization” measures in Melitopol and Luhansk Oblast.[36]
Russian authorities are also taking measures to streamline cooperation between the Russian legal system and legislative bodies in occupied areas. Russian Federal Penitentiary Service Director Arkady Gostev signed a memorandum of understanding for law enforcement with the Luhansk People’s Republic’s (LNR) First Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs Roman Vedmedenko, which will facilitate further integration of the LNR into Russia’s criminal law and prison system.[37] Such measures are part of a wider campaign by Russian authorities to set frameworks of cooperation between occupied Ukrainian areas and Russian political elements in order to shape the development of occupied areas in a way that resembles Russian structures and is conducive to direct integration.
Forget about anything coming from "Kiev" ( independent or not.) Nothing coming out of there can be trusted if you still didn't understand it by now.
I listen to the Russian military channels.
So....propaganda.
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Although they mention their losses, there is no sense of panic or despair there.
Meanwhile in reality. 35,000 dead, and probably another 50K wounded easy in a assault most of them thought was a training activity. LOL.
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They know that Ukrainian losses are at least three times higher ( if not more.)
In reality the defender almost always takes less losses. But on one thing I sort of agree, they are probably higher then expected. All of that being said, do you know what Russias problem is here. Ukraine has a population of 41 million and has mobilized. Russia....has not.
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The amount of Ukrainian POWs is about 7,000.
The amount of Russian POWs is minuscule comparably to this, so this proves the point.
That you cant back up the numbers? You do know that Russia has claimed to have a LOT less when the red cross worked with them. Right?
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So far very *slow and accurate* advancing of Russian troops in Donbass played to their advantage.
Uhmm...you flattened a city. Thats slow and accurate? Accurate means you kill the soldiers, not the city.
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They use their artillery heavily, before they let their soldiers to proceed.
Which fortunately is now insanely vulnerable to counterbattery fire.
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Which slows the process, but spares their people's lives.
But this picture is not going to stay for long, and they are aware of that as well.
Saves peoples lives? Please. Russia is flattening cities because they cant take them militarily. Thats not saving lives, thats destroying them.
Forget about anything coming from "Kiev" ( independent or not.) Nothing coming out of there can be trusted if you still didn't understand it by now.
I listen to the Russian military channels.
Although they mention their losses, there is no sense of panic or despair there.
They know that Ukrainian losses are at least three times higher ( if not more.)
The amount of Ukrainian POWs is about 7,000.
The amount of Russian POWs is minuscule comparably to this, so this proves the point.
So far very *slow and accurate* advancing of Russian troops in Donbass played to their advantage.
They use their artillery heavily, before they let their soldiers to proceed.
Which slows the process, but spares their people's lives.
But this picture is not going to stay for long, and they are aware of that as well.
Both forces are being degraded...both forces are using 2nd tier and 3rd tier forces....the past month and these upcoming 2 months are going to be especially hard for Ukraine given their losses....after that they will be gaining greater parity with the Russian military artillery...right now as I stated both sides are being degraded and there does not appear to be an operational pause on the horizon. Ukraine needs the most help from the west with the "training" problem verses the "equip" problem especially if Ukraine is to go on the offensive which looks to be months away. The Donbas will lose priority and actually favors Ukraine over the long term...the real war will be fought in Kherson. That's the best I can make of it. This is a Real War...and the outcome is simply unknown. Long term trends favor Ukraine if they can hold it together through this summer.
Both forces are being degraded...both forces are using 2nd tier and 3rd tier forces....the past month and these upcoming 2 months are going to be especially hard for Ukraine given their losses....after that they will be gaining greater parity with the Russian military artillery...right now as I stated both sides are being degraded and there does not appear to be an operational pause on the horizon. Ukraine needs the most help from the west with the "training" problem verses the "equip" problem especially if Ukraine is to go on the offensive which looks to be months away. The Donbas will lose priority and actually favors Ukraine over the long term...the real war will be fought in Kherson. That's the best I can make of it. This is a Real War...and the outcome is simply unknown. Long term trends favor Ukraine if they can hold it together through this summer.
Mostly agree. Im curious why you believe that Donbas favors Ukraine long term?
Mostly agree. Im curious why you believe that Donbas favors Ukraine long term?
It's not that strategic of area in the first place and as Ukraine gains parity with Russian artillery, especially the advanced weaponry, Russia will lose some of its current advantages in the area and with that increased losses in a place that is not that important...this is making the presumption that the crux of the fighting and Ukrainian Counter Insurgencies will be in Kherson, so the Russians will have to concentrate their forces there. That's the best armchair general I've got in me right now.
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