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Old 07-03-2022, 07:19 PM
 
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Here we go with the "the rest of the world" line. I know it sounds good, but this is not a global conflict and vast swaths of planet aren't invested in either side.
Those are called oceans.
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Old 07-03-2022, 09:31 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Here we go with the "the rest of the world" line. I know it sounds good, but this is not a global conflict and vast swaths of planet aren't invested in either side.............
Well, OK. But no one is providing Russia with anything. No help at all. There are countries attempting to do business as usual, but that's all.
Russia is friendless, and that's as it should be. They caused enormous loss of life in Syria and created a refugee crisis that killed many more. Now they are threatening mass starvation.
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Old 07-03-2022, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Todays Update

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Russian forces have likely secured the Luhansk Oblast border, although pockets of Ukrainian resistance may remain in and around Lysychansk
Key Takeaways

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Russian forces seized the remaining territory between Lysychansk and Luhansk Oblast’s administrative borders on July 3.

Russian forces launched assaults northeast of Bakhmut and north of Slovyansk but did not secure new territorial gains.

Russian forces conducted extensive artillery attacks in the western part of the Southern Axis likely to disrupt Ukrainian counteroffensives.

The Kremlin continued to set conditions for potential Russian annexation of proxy republics.

Ukrainian partisans reportedly derailed a Russian armored train carrying ammunition near Melitopol on July 2.
Activity in Russian-occupied Areas

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The Kremlin continued to set conditions for potential Russian annexation of proxy republics on July 3. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin announced that United Russia Party Secretary of the General Council Andrey Turchak and party representatives established a legal aid center in Donetsk City.[31] Pushilin noted that the legal aid center will provide DNR residents assistance with education, legal documents, and registration for social benefits. Pushilin and Turchak also handed out Russian passports to DNR residents.[32] The Kremlin is likely attempting to integrate proxy legal and governmental structures into the Russian framework.

Ukrainian partisans reportedly derailed a Russian armored train carrying ammunition near Melitopol on July 2.[33] Kremlin-sponsored outlet RIA Novosti acknowledged that the train derailed around Yakymivka, but claimed that the incident was an accident.[34] Ukrainian partisans previously targeted Russian armored trains and locomotives in Melitopol in late April and mid-May.
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Old 07-03-2022, 10:03 PM
 
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Putin has generated all of the troubles we see today. He leads a kleptocracy, which damages his country and hurts his people, and he launched an ill considered regime change in Ukraine ... so he got his unready nation entangled in a guagmire of a brutal war he didn't expect and nobody wants.

The only way the world could be safer is if our brothers and sisters in Russia got rid of that master criminal Putin.

But they won't do that, so this will play out the hard way.
No he didn't.
...
Yes he did.

What goes on in Ukraine is none of his damned business. He knows it, you know it and I know it.

His job (as poorly as he does it) is as leader of Russia. Putin is well known to be a murderer and a criminal having had assassinated many political rivals and critics. Putin stole that job through rigged elections and terror, now he wants to steal a neighboring sovereign state. He needs to keeps his greedy paws off Ukraine, and stay where he belongs.

Putin started this war for his own selfish reasons. Now many have died, many thousands of people who do not belong under his authority have perished due to Putin's greediness and grandiose ego ... his minions have killed them in horrible ways.

Putin is a war criminal.
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Old 07-03-2022, 10:36 PM
 
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Yes he did.

What goes on in Ukraine is none of his damned business. He knows it, you know it and I know it.

His job (as poorly as he does it) is as leader of Russia. Putin is well known to be a murderer and a criminal having had assassinated many political rivals and critics. Putin stole that job through rigged elections and terror, now he wants to steal a neighboring sovereign state. He needs to keeps his greedy paws off Ukraine, and stay where he belongs.

Putin started this war for his own selfish reasons. Now many have died, many thousands of people who do not belong under his authority have perished due to Putin's greediness and grandiose ego ... his minions have killed them in horrible ways.

Putin is a war criminal.

Ukrainian nationalist government made it his damned business.

By fomenting constant hatred towards Russia, by threatening Crimea ( which is vital to Russia's strategic interests.) Not to mention that people there didn't want anything to do with the Nationalist Ukraine.)
Plus inviting NATO military bases there.

Of course they made it his damn business.

You are simply in denial.
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Old 07-04-2022, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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maybe today someone will be lucky enough to slip master strategist Putin a nice refreshing cocktail with a lethal amount of poison in it to help America celebrate our Independence Day...Happy Fourth of July everyone !!..
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Old 07-04-2022, 04:08 AM
 
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Yes he did.

What goes on in Ukraine is none of his damned business. He knows it, you know it and I know it.

His job (as poorly as he does it) is as leader of Russia. Putin is well known to be a murderer and a criminal having had assassinated many political rivals and critics. Putin stole that job through rigged elections and terror, now he wants to steal a neighboring sovereign state. He needs to keeps his greedy paws off Ukraine, and stay where he belongs.

Putin started this war for his own selfish reasons. Now many have died, many thousands of people who do not belong under his authority have perished due to Putin's greediness and grandiose ego ... his minions have killed them in horrible ways.

Putin is a war criminal.

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Old 07-04-2022, 05:46 AM
 
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Yes he did.

What goes on in Ukraine is none of his damned business. He knows it, you know it and I know it.

His job (as poorly as he does it) is as leader of Russia. Putin is well known to be a murderer and a criminal having had assassinated many political rivals and critics. Putin stole that job through rigged elections and terror, now he wants to steal a neighboring sovereign state. He needs to keeps his greedy paws off Ukraine, and stay where he belongs.

Putin started this war for his own selfish reasons. Now many have died, many thousands of people who do not belong under his authority have perished due to Putin's greediness and grandiose ego ... his minions have killed them in horrible ways.

Putin is a war criminal.
Ukrainian nationalist government made it his damned business.
No.

Ukrainian issues are for Ukrainians to solve. We who believe in national sovereignty and self determination understand this.

If Putin doesn't like it he can lump it, it's none of his business.

Ukraine is a sovereign state, has a seat in the United Nations and has a functioning democracy which is working hard to solve it's post-soviet problems of corruption (which are very similar to Russia's problems of corruption).

Ukraine can fix it's own problems, Putin has no authority there. Putin should try to fix the problems of Russia (which he won't, because he is part of the problem with his criminal enterprises). So Putin could possibly clean up Russia with all the authority he has, but he will not because that criminality is the source of his obscene wealth.

So he desires to extend his greedy reach into other people's pockets, and the Ukrainians are having none of it.

Now Ukraine is the graveyard of many young Russians and Ukrainians, because Putin stuck his nose in places it didn't belong.

Putin is a war criminal.
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:59 AM
 
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Flag of Ukraine was set up on Snake Island

The flag of Ukrainewas set up on Snake Island after the withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces from there.

Gazeta.ru
The Ukrainian military have planted the flag of Ukraine on Zmeiny Island in the Black Sea, Natalya Gumenyuk, head of the press center of the Operational Command "South" of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic, said on Monday.
TASS
“The military operation has been completed, and now the territory has been returned to the jurisdiction of Ukraine,” she said.
Lenta.ru
The island came under the control of the Russian military at the end of February, and on June 30, the Russian Defense Ministry announced the withdrawal of the garrison.
TASS


Advisor Arestovich called the situation with Lisichansk and Severodonetsk a successful operation of the Armed Forces

Advisor to the head of the office of the Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky Alexei Arestovich called the situation with Lisichansk and Severodonetsk a successful operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
RT in Russian
Arestovich is confident that the Ukrainian forces will be able to regain control of Lisichansk.
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On July 3, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported to President Vladimir Putin about taking control of the entire territory of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), including Lisichansk and nearby towns and villages.
Lenta.ru
Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky, in turn, confirmed that the command of the Ukrainian army withdrew troops from Lysichansk.
Lenta.ru
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Old 07-04-2022, 11:46 AM
 
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No.

Ukrainian issues are for Ukrainians to solve. We who believe in national sovereignty and self determination understand this.

If Putin doesn't like it he can lump it, it's none of his business.

Ukraine is a sovereign state, has a seat in the United Nations and has a functioning democracy which is working hard to solve it's post-soviet problems of corruption (which are very similar to Russia's problems of corruption).

Ukraine can fix it's own problems, Putin has no authority there. Putin should try to fix the problems of Russia (which he won't, because he is part of the problem with his criminal enterprises). So Putin could possibly clean up Russia with all the authority he has, but he will not because that criminality is the source of his obscene wealth.

So he desires to extend his greedy reach into other people's pockets, and the Ukrainians are having none of it.

Now Ukraine is the graveyard of many young Russians and Ukrainians, because Putin stuck his nose in places it didn't belong.

Putin is a war criminal.

Afghanistan's issues are for Afghanistan to solve.

Vietnam's issues are for Vietnam to solve.

So is for Iraq..
So is for Libya,
So is for Serbia..


And down the list you go.
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