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Old 07-04-2022, 08:25 PM
 
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Same is going on in Ukraine at this point and then some more. ( The SBU (their secret service) is knocking on the doors of people who are deemed not "patriotic enough," or disagree with Zelensky orders.

Only NY Times will never tell you about THIS side of the story.
And that's how the picture is created, that "free and democratic Ukraine is fighting despotic Russia."
Which is a false picture.

Last edited by erasure; 07-04-2022 at 09:00 PM..
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:31 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Ruskateers continue to whistle past the graveyard.
Russia is being destroyed. Ukraine is defending itself and 43 countries are doing what they can to help. 29 countries are sending weapons and will probably continue to do so until Ukraine stops asking.

The war is Ukraine's to stop and no on else's. American hating Rooskateers pretend America has started something. It actually was Russia, of course. America started nothing.
Russia will be ruined economically. They may have to give what is left of their economy to China in order to feed their population. Fine by me. The world will be better with an impoverished Russia.

Russian economic slump will wipe out 15 years of gains.
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Old 07-04-2022, 11:15 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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The background story to the Ukraine war must be carefully cut out and thrown down the memory hole because it doesn't follow the required narrative. You don't have to think, just follow this narrative. Others have done the thinking for you. If you try to think rationally then the narrative becomes confusing. Ignorance is indeed strength.

Russia is indeed destroying many weapons given to Zelensky by the West. But that is good because the weapons makers make good profits by having to sell more of them to the US. The US is indeed throwing money down the drain. But that doesn't matter. Why? The US can just print more money. It does have printing presses does it not?
Sure, it can if it wants its money to become worthless, like the ruble.
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Old 07-04-2022, 11:17 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Same is going on in Ukraine at this point and then some more. ( The SBU (their secret service) is knocking on the doors of people who are deemed not "patriotic enough," or disagree with Zelensky orders.

Only NY Times will never tell you about THIS side of the story.
And that's how the picture is created, that "free and democratic Ukraine is fighting despotic Russia."
Which is a false picture.
Except the only people left in Ukraine for the most part are pensioners and men of fighting age. All the women and children left the country in a mass exodus recommended by the government.
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Old 07-04-2022, 11:47 PM
 
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Except the only people left in Ukraine for the most part are pensioners and men of fighting age. All the women and children left the country in a mass exodus recommended by the government.
Only about 5-6 million immigrated both to EU and Russia.

About 3,5 millions already returned from EU to Ukraine.

I believe from October 1st women will not be allowed to leave as well, in connection with the military registration.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDaLIfSMwQ
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Old 07-05-2022, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Todays Update

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...essment-july-4

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Russian President Vladimir Putin celebrated the Russian seizure of Lysychansk and the Luhansk Oblast border and appeared to direct the Russian military to conduct an operational pause.

Former Russian military commander Igor Girkin, an ardent Russian nationalist who commanded militants during the 2014 war in Donbas, posted a scathing critique of the Kremlin’s handling of the war on his Telegram channel and questioned the significance of the seizure of Lysychansk. He suggested that Russian forces had paid too high a price for a limited gain

In a series of Telegram posts published prior to Putin’s meeting with Shoigu on July 4, Girkin complained that Russian forces have failed to meet the announced goals of the “second stage of the special operation” (the operations in eastern Ukraine following Russia’s retreat from Kyiv) to his nearly 400,000 subscribers.[3] Girkin noted that the Ukrainian defense of Lysychansk was deliberately designed to inflict maximum damage on Russian troops and burn through Russian manpower and equipment. He strongly suggested that accepting battle on the Ukrainians‘ terms was a significant misstep by the Russian leadership.[4] Girkin stated (before Putin’s remarks were made public) that Russian troops need time to rest and replenish in order to recover their offensive potential and noted that the lack of individual soldier replacements and unit rotations is severely degrading morale. He warned, however, that taking time to reconstitute offensive capability would allow Ukrainian troops to seize the initiative and further threaten Russian gains.[5] Girkin additionally claimed that Russian forces have limited prospects of advancing elsewhere in Ukraine due to Ukrainian personnel and equipment superiority.[6]

Girkin’s critique is a noteworthy example of the way Russian milbloggers and military enthusiasts have become disillusioned with the Kremlin’s handling and execution of operations in Ukraine, particularly after the dramatic failed river crossing attempt at Bilohorivka in early May.[7] Girkin’s statements directly undermine the Kremlin’s efforts to frame Lysychansk as a significant victory or turning point and show that the disillusionment amongst ultra-nationalist elements in the Russian information space continues to run deep. Girkin’s assessment of Russian military failures notably aligns with much of ISW’s (and other Western agencies’ and experts’) analysis, suggesting that he and some other milbloggers continue to make and publish assessments of the situation and forecasts independent of the Kremlin line. Girkin likely hopes to use his status as a prominent former participant in the war in Donbas in 2014 to persuade Putin to take certain measures to secure Russian success in a war that Girkin still thinks is justified and necessary—specifically mobilizing the Russian population for war on a much larger scale.[8] Girkin, along with other members of the Russian nationalist milblogger space, will likely continue to offer critiques of the Kremlin’s line on operations in Ukraine to advocate for general mobilization and more competent Russian military leadership.


Ukrainian forces are increasingly targeting Russian military infrastructure with indirect fire and US-provided HIMARS systems deep in occupied territory.
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Russian leadership may be setting conditions for an operational pause following the seizure of Lysychansk and the Luhansk Oblast boundary.

Russian forces are consolidating territorial and administrative control over Severodonetsk and Lysychansk.

Russian forces continued offensive operations to the east of Bakhmut to prepare for advances on Bakhmut and Siversk.

Russian forces continued limited and unsuccessful assaults north of Kharkiv City.

Ukrainian partisan activity is targeting Russian railway lines around Melitopol and Tokmak.

Russian leadership may be setting conditions for the conscription of Ukrainian citizens living in occupied territories.
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Russian authorities continued to set conditions for various annexation scenarios on July 4. Director of Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Kyrylo Budanov stated that Russia is preparing several annexation scenarios before September 11, the suggested date for the annexation of Ukrainian territory into the Russian Federation.[34] Budanov claimed that Russia may be preparing to join Ukrainian territories to Russia, create one large ”People’s Republic,” or annex individual territories to Russia. The suggestion of a singular, large ”People’s Republic” is novel and has not yet been discussed by Ukrainian or Russian authorities. A single ”People’s Republic” likely indicates that the Kremlin continues to hold territorial aspirations beyond the Donbas.
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Old 07-05-2022, 07:32 AM
 
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Russian equipment losses continue, the rate was a little accelerated the last week or so…

https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine
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Old 07-05-2022, 07:44 AM
 
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Russian equipment losses continue, the rate was a little accelerated the last week or so…

https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine
Wake me up when the Russians run out of equipment and go home.
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Old 07-05-2022, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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wake me up when Putin dies..
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Old 07-05-2022, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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Wake me up when the Russians run out of equipment and go home.
It does seem as if Russia wishes to declare victory and hold in trenches like Korea, rather than declare victory and leave like in South Vietnam or Afghanistan.
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