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Old 07-07-2022, 06:53 AM
 
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If Russia's ability to fight a conventional war is any indication of their ability to fight a nuclear war, it's a really safe bet.
Could be.

It also could be that Putin's constant threats of launching a nuclear attack if this or that happens is just so much hot air.
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:12 AM
 
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Russian Aerospace Forces attacked Zmeiny during a photo session of the military with the flag of Ukraine

Igor Konashenkov said at a briefing that "against the backdrop of military failures and mass retreats" of the Ukrainian troops on July 7, the Ukrainian authorities decided to "make an attempt to symbolically deliver the flag to Zmeiny Island" in the Black Sea.
Gazeta.Ru
According to the structure, at about 5 am, several Ukrainian servicemen landed on the island from a motor boat and took pictures with the flag.
Ukraina.ru
"The aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces immediately launched a strike with high-precision missiles on Zmeiny Island, as a result of which part of the Ukrainian military personnel was destroyed," the ministry said.
RIA Novosti
Last week, the Russian Defense Ministry announced that as a gesture of goodwill, troops were withdrawn from Zmeiny Island.
RIA Novosti


Nationalist battalion "Kraken" refused to carry out the order of

Kiev
Izvestia
The Ministry of Defense clarified that the acute shortage of personnel of the first echelon units forced the Kiev regime to send national battalions to the front line, performing tasks in the rear areas as detachments.
RIA Novosti
of the Ministry of Defense also reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) are suffering significant losses in all directions.
Lenta.ru
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:15 AM
 
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Could be.

It also could be that Putin's constant threats of launching a nuclear attack if this or that happens is just so much hot air.



Actually, "Putin" "constant threats" are coming from western media "experts", not from Putin himself. Just be honest. Go count, how many times they said that and how many times HE explicitly said it. Go, go, count. Putin HIMSELF, not bloggers, journalists, "well informed sources" and so on. The usual hearsay crowd.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:29 AM
 
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nobody cares what Putin says..or doesn't say...we just want him gone..or dead preferably..
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:29 AM
 
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Yes, most people want this war to end, but there are people who want to see Russia destroyed. Saying that no one wants Russia to be destroyed is simply not realistic. I know people that do.
Think of what you are saying. Russia is insignificant in the world, it's economy is about the size of Italy's. What could possibly motivate people to hate a country so much that they want it destroyed? ... a country that no one gives a second thought to most of the time?

That kind of rhetoric only has meaning to Russians, the talking point was crafted for Russian consumption. The rest of the world laughs at such talk.

Besides, people say a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but that doesn't mean they sincerely mean it.

MAGAs want "libs heads to explode" and that sort of thing. It's not meant to be taken literally.

I think what you may be dealing with is frustration. The Russian people are marvelous, but they are dominated by a cabal of thieves and they must meekly go along. Everyone knows what happens to those who resist, the list of murdered critics and rivals of Putin gets longer by the year.

The leadership of the country are thieves. They set a poor example. Those who get ahead very often are the one's with the most opportunities to grift.

Everyone knows it, so secretly they all want to grift. If you want nice things, you have to take them. Politicians are building mansions on small salaries, military officers are embezzling from the army and suppliers are bribing procurement officers, the poor conscript is stripping wire and meters from unused vehicles and the soldier sent to Ukraine is stealing flat screen TVs and washing machines!

If you can't do any of that, there is always vodka. It isn't a good look.

Russia, as in 'Putin's government' specifically, has been doing a lot of meddling and aggression with other countries. They attacked Georgia, and twice attacked Ukraine. The Russian people support that, it makes them feel relevant and important in that big scary world.

Russia interfered in Belarus and Kazakhstan to prop up those dictators. They have been using cyber ops on the European Union and NATO countries to break up those organizations, this nasty interference includes the USA, even on this message board. The spreading of false information and stimulating animosity was intended to de-stabilize our country and others. We are still reeling from the effects of that work.

This isn't the average Russian citizen doing this international meddling, most of them are barely aware of it. It is people working under the direction of Putin and his domestic allies who are doing these things.

If Putin and his gang of thieves were out of the picture, this world (including Russia) would be a much better place.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:30 AM
 
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Russia has not fired off a nuke since 1989.
Given the fact that nuclear weapons have a shelf life of 25 years, are incredibly expensive to maintain, and Russian leadership is well known for both corruption and incompetence, it is a safe bet that Russia actually has nothing at all that would work.

Russia will be destroyed economically from this war and will never recover. The world will be better off.
Nothing at all that would work. That is a new one. Do you have insider intel that makes you feel confident on that bet? Given nukes are incredibly expensive to maintain, but they ensure your security so any nation with nukes will spend the money because it is money well spent.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:34 AM
 
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Nothing at all that would work. That is a new one. Do you have insider intel that makes you feel confident on that bet? Given nukes are incredibly expensive to maintain, but they ensure your security so any nation with nukes will spend the money because it is money well spent.
Indeed. I'm betting the U.S. is maintaining its nuclear arsenal, also China, the UK, France. Hard to say what is going on in India, Pakistan, and North Korea.

Whether Russia is is anybody's guess, but so far have seen no signs that they are maintaining anything.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:45 AM
 
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Nothing at all that would work. That is a new one. Do you have insider intel that makes you feel confident on that bet? Given nukes are incredibly expensive to maintain, but they ensure your security so any nation with nukes will spend the money because it is money well spent.

But of course he/she does. You watch a couple of 007 or MI movies, I mean how hard can it be. Lol.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:50 AM
 
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Think of what you are saying. Russia is insignificant in the world, it's economy is about the size of Italy's. What could possibly motivate people to hate a country so much that they want it destroyed? ... a country that no one gives a second thought to most of the time?

That kind of rhetoric only has meaning to Russians, the talking point was crafted for Russian consumption. The rest of the world laughs at such talk.

Besides, people say a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but that doesn't mean they sincerely mean it.

MAGAs want "libs heads to explode" and that sort of thing. It's not meant to be taken literally.

I think what you may be dealing with is frustration. The Russian people are marvelous, but they are dominated by a cabal of thieves and they must meekly go along. Everyone knows what happens to those who resist, the list of murdered critics and rivals of Putin gets longer by the year.

The leadership of the country are thieves. They set a poor example. Those who get ahead very often are the one's with the most opportunities to grift.

Everyone knows it, so secretly they all want to grift. If you want nice things, you have to take them. Politicians are building mansions on small salaries, military officers are embezzling from the army and suppliers are bribing procurement officers, the poor conscript is stripping wire and meters from unused vehicles and the soldier sent to Ukraine is stealing flat screen TVs and washing machines!

If you can't do any of that, there is always vodka. It isn't a good look.

Russia, as in 'Putin's government' specifically, has been doing a lot of meddling and aggression with other countries. They attacked Georgia, and twice attacked Ukraine. The Russian people support that, it makes them feel relevant and important in that big scary world.

Russia interfered in Belarus and Kazakhstan to prop up those dictators. They have been using cyber ops on the European Union and NATO countries to break up those organizations, this nasty interference includes the USA, even on this message board. The spreading of false information and stimulating animosity was intended to de-stabilize our country and others. We are still reeling from the effects of that work.

This isn't the average Russian citizen doing this international meddling, most of them are barely aware of it. It is people working under the direction of Putin and his domestic allies who are doing these things.

If Putin and his gang of thieves were out of the picture, this world (including Russia) would be a much better place.

This line wraps up the danger Western ideology in terms of global affairs. A belief that if “insert whatever government” wasn't in power, the world would be in a much better place. What they fail to realize is that the U.S. is the common denominator in just about all major world conflicts yet feels the need to walk around acting morally superior. Maybe it’s not others who are the problem, maybe it’s the West. For all the talk about how bad Russia is, the U.S. along with its Western allies have just as much dirt and blood on their hands. This includes invasions, assassinations, destabilization, regime propping up, and other covert attacks. The only difference is the U.S. feels as though its actions are justified due to "trying to make the world a better place." This causes citizens to overlook the atrocities of their government, believing themselves to be the good guys and world saviors. Sounds awfully like Russia doesn't it. Saying you kill for freedom, democracy, human rights in order when it’s really for hegemony doesn’t make it justified. They're not trying to make the world a better place, but rather ensure they remain at the top of the food chain.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:52 AM
 
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Think of what you are saying. Russia is insignificant in the world, it's economy is about the size of Italy's. What could possibly motivate people to hate a country so much that they want it destroyed? ... a country that no one gives a second thought to most of the time?

That kind of rhetoric only has meaning to Russians, the talking point was crafted for Russian consumption. The rest of the world laughs at such talk.

Besides, people say a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but that doesn't mean they sincerely mean it.

MAGAs want "libs heads to explode" and that sort of thing. It's not meant to be taken literally.

I think what you may be dealing with is frustration. The Russian people are marvelous, but they are dominated by a cabal of thieves and they must meekly go along. Everyone knows what happens to those who resist, the list of murdered critics and rivals of Putin gets longer by the year.

The leadership of the country are thieves. They set a poor example. Those who get ahead very often are the one's with the most opportunities to grift.

Everyone knows it, so secretly they all want to grift. If you want nice things, you have to take them. Politicians are building mansions on small salaries, military officers are embezzling from the army and suppliers are bribing procurement officers, the poor conscript is stripping wire and meters from unused vehicles and the soldier sent to Ukraine is stealing flat screen TVs and washing machines!

If you can't do any of that, there is always vodka. It isn't a good look.

Russia, as in 'Putin's government' specifically, has been doing a lot of meddling and aggression with other countries. They attacked Georgia, and twice attacked Ukraine. The Russian people support that, it makes them feel relevant and important in that big scary world.

Russia interfered in Belarus and Kazakhstan to prop up those dictators. They have been using cyber ops on the European Union and NATO countries to break up those organizations, this nasty interference includes the USA, even on this message board. The spreading of false information and stimulating animosity was intended to de-stabilize our country and others. We are still reeling from the effects of that work.

This isn't the average Russian citizen doing this international meddling, most of them are barely aware of it. It is people working under the direction of Putin and his domestic allies who are doing these things.

If Putin and his gang of thieves were out of the picture, this world (including Russia) would be a much better place.
Russia is the largest country in the world, blessed with vast natural resources. I would hardly call that insignificant. It is populated by well educated people. Yes, the population of this country is low for such a large country and their economy is small, but they do know how to create weapons that protect their country like hypersonic missiles. What other country has these kind of missiles? Russia does not bow down to other countries and wants its place in the world. Russia is a natural competitor to the US. If magically you could plop the population of the US into Russia, then Russia would outperform the US because of its greater size and resources. And that is why some people want to see Russia destroyed and out of the picture. They don't want any competition, even if Russia was led by a benevolent government. That is the problem that those people have. They cannot have a country that could be potentially greater and more powerful than the US.
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