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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
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Old 10-13-2022, 08:23 AM
 
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And here is what some Georgians think about Russians in their country…


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIt1U5N0UWo
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Old 10-13-2022, 08:29 AM
 
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And even if Russia managed to make the same amount today as it did a year ago, oil only accounted for 43% of Russia's international trade. So the claim that oil sales "prop up" the war effort don't hold up. Russia has taken a 50% income haircut during a time when they are waging a very expensive war.

I don't think they can last. In the end they will capitulate, being unable to continue the war.
What you “think” is irrelevant, because it’s based on propaganda, and not actual facts, therefore, if your information is false, your speculations can’t be accurate.

The price of crude has more than doubled since 2020, when it hit $42. And it is certainly trending higher, with market analysts predicting $150. This increase offsets the loss in gas revenue from Europe, and the Chinese …. don’t forget the Chinese … they’re a major customer of Russia’s energy resources, and they have already established their own agreements to pay in Rubles. That’s a big deal, as it strengthens the Ruble, which keeps the domestic Russian economy’s inflation in check. The truth is, Russia’s economic situation isn’t nearly as precarious as Europe’s, or ours here in the US which is greatly impacted by rising energy prices.

Russia, if for no other reason than its isolation from the western financial systems, enjoy the benefit of not being affected by those market conditions which are rapidly worsening. Because they are energy independent, soaring energy prices actually help Russia, while harming the western economies.

The truth is, looking in from the outside, and taking into account real facts, one has to wonder what the real goal is, insofar as the Globalists agenda, because this war, and the sanctions, coupled with Nord Stream being rendered inoperable by sabotage, as well as other policies being implemented by individual European countries, the entirety of Europe is in jeopardy of suffering an economic calamity of epic proportions in the fairly near term.

Listen up, there is only one logical reason why the Nord Stream pipelines were sabotaged, and it identifies who culprits are. Europe was soon going to experience too much domestic economic harm to continue to maintain the Russian gas sanctions, so that’s why they were taken out, which ultimately now guarantees that harm will occur.

The underlying truth is that because the global economy is so interconnected, we’re goes Europe, eventually goes the rest of the western economies, which is headed to the “toilet”.

So, it is my speculation that this isn’t really about Ukraine or Russia, per se, but about the total take down of the global economy being brought to you by those behind the “Great Reset”. Russia and Ukraine are just the pretext to which the deliberate destruction of the global economy will be blamed.

Russia, Russia, Russia …. Putin, Putin, Putin … he caused this global calamity, and all of the drooling fools will buy it, hook, line and sinker, just like they always do.

There is no other rational or logical conclusion that I can come up with, that would account for the self inflicted wounds being caused by supporting the continuation of the Ukrainian conflict. The west, by its refusal to entertain peace negotiations, ultimately proves the continuation of the hostilities is desired.

That leaves only the question, why? And I’ve just given you the answer. Examine the World Economic Forum, and it’s goals. There you will find the answer that explains all of what is happening.

In order to implement the “Great Reset”, the current global economic system must be brought down, to make way for the new system.
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Old 10-13-2022, 08:36 AM
 
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In order to implement the “Great Reset”, the current global economic system must be brought down, to make way for the new system.
In December 2020, on a cab ride through Europe, with the COVID pandemic raging around the world, I asked the taxi driver how long he thought this would go on for.

He responded 4 years. I asked him why? I had heard 2 years [comparisons to the Spanish Flu] but never 4 years. He then responded that all world wars take around 4 years to run their course.

Those words haunted me, to this day. About 1 month later, Putin gave this speech to the WEF in Davos:

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DAVOS WEF Putin warns of ‘all against all’ fight if global tensions are not resolved
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/russ...ll-at-wef.html

I do believe the great powers had prepared for this war since long before we entered the pandemic. The pandemic was useful cover for pieces to be moved into place.
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Old 10-13-2022, 08:36 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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And here is what some Georgians think about Russians in their country…


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIt1U5N0UWo
The thing that struck me was the variations of, "If they win this thing they won't stop with Ukraine."
That's been the entire world's position and is why Ukraine gets so much support.
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Old 10-13-2022, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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That’s not true at all.

To join NATO you need a unanimous decision from NATO members. You can’t just join nato because you feel like it.

Ukraine is far too corrupt to ever get that approval, unlike Finland and Sweden.
Ukraine also had an active border dispute- Crimea- and NATO doesn’t accept members with active border disputes because they don’t want to get drawn into those pre-existing conflicts.

The big alliances actually often have a lot of rules to join their club. Full EU membership would involve Ukraine changing their government, economy, and approach to corruption in some pretty fundamental ways. Those changes would make it harder for Russia to manipulate the country like it often has in the past.

But they seem to want to try to change to EU terms and since the result of moving toward those new rules and laws is often a better society for those country’s citizens then I’m all for them making that attempt.
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Old 10-13-2022, 09:24 AM
 
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In December 2020, on a cab ride through Europe, with the COVID pandemic raging around the world, I asked the taxi driver how long he thought this would go on for.

He responded 4 years. I asked him why? I had heard 2 years [comparisons to the Spanish Flu] but never 4 years. He then responded that all world wars take around 4 years to run their course.

Those words haunted me, to this day. About 1 month later, Putin gave this speech to the WEF in Davos:



https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/russ...ll-at-wef.html

I do believe the great powers had prepared for this war since long before we entered the pandemic. The pandemic was useful cover for pieces to be moved into place.
It circles back to the desired take down of the global economy, AND global population numbers. The China Virus was the initiating event of the final phase of the operation, which also includes a dramatic reduction in population via pandemic response.

The Great Reset involves much more than just the introduction of a new financial system. And it’s all out in the open. It’s not hidden anymore? It’s in your face!

All one needs to do is listen to these psychopaths talk, and believe them when they tell you what their plans are. Cognitive dissonance is the only impediment to understanding what is occurring.

Order out of Chaos is the motto. Look it up. Ordo Ab Chao.
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Old 10-13-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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Ukraine also had an active border dispute- Crimea- and NATO doesn’t accept members with active border disputes because they don’t want to get drawn into those pre-existing conflicts.

The big alliances actually often have a lot of rules to join their club. Full EU membership would involve Ukraine changing their government, economy, and approach to corruption in some pretty fundamental ways. Those changes would make it harder for Russia to manipulate the country like it often has in the past.

But they seem to want to try to change to EU terms and since the result of moving toward those new rules and laws is often a better society for those country’s citizens then I’m all for them making that attempt.
The point is, Ukraine can want to join NATO, we can tell them no. And if we were doing so well before 2014, Ukraine would still have Crimea/Donbas [probably] and we would not be in war today.
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Old 10-13-2022, 09:36 AM
 
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Ukraine also had an active border dispute- Crimea- and NATO doesn’t accept members with active border disputes because they don’t want to get drawn into those pre-existing conflicts.

The big alliances actually often have a lot of rules to join their club. Full EU membership would involve Ukraine changing their government, economy, and approach to corruption in some pretty fundamental ways. Those changes would make it harder for Russia to manipulate the country like it often has in the past.

But they seem to want to try to change to EU terms and since the result of moving toward those new rules and laws is often a better society for those country’s citizens then I’m all for them making that attempt.
Nonsense. It was not Putin’s son who was a board member of corrupt Burisma, it was Joe’s son, Hunter. It was not Putin who used a Billion dollar loan guarantee to extort Ukraine into firing the prosecutor investigating that company Hunter was working for, it was Vice President Joe Biden. It was not Putin’s family that received multiple millions in kick backs, it was the “big guy”, aka, Joe Biden, and his family of corrupt crooks and traitors.

The corruption runs deep, and the players now exposed. And low and behold, who now sits in the White House? Corrupt to the core, Joe Biden.

You think all of those Billions of dollars of “aide” being sent to Ukraine are staying in Ukraine’s bank accounts? Only if you don’t understand how these corrupt crooks operate. They have been using the same playbook for decades.

Every conflict or natural disaster requiring Billions in US “foreign aide”, is another cash cow vehicle for these crooks to redirect to themselves, which is why they love to install puppet regimes they can control.

This is how it works … the Congress approves another 5 Billion aide package, and the puppet regime gets 500 Million to do with as they please. The other 4.5 Billion is redirected back to those running the scam. That’s a nice piece of change, with a small portion of that being “reinvested” in the form of campaign contributions for those legislators approving the aide packages. It’s a tasty little deal for everybody except the American tax payers who keep electing these crooks, decade after decade.

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Old 10-13-2022, 09:44 AM
 
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Add at least 1 zero. It's ~20 billion.

We're actually running a deficit/debt. So when we do all this spending, it's on a credit card. If the USD falls out of favor as the global reserve currency, which may happen in the next 2-3 years, we're in a world of hurt.
One of the best ways to make sure that doesn't happen is to collapse Russia.
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Old 10-13-2022, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Ukraine, by pulling off whatever it did on the Kerch Bridge, has demonstrated why it is winning the war, while Russia, by launching a barrage of irreplaceable $10M rockets against civilian targets, demonstrates again why it is losing.


Cleverly, Ukraine has been mum about how the attack was pulled off. That allows for lots of speculation and rumors including one where Russians themselves did it.
Nothing in Russia's response would encourage Ukraine to surrender. In fact, bombing the folks back home, as Russia did, will turbocharge an already enraged and vigorous defense of the Ukrainian homeland.


Article from The Atlantic here.
1. It remains to be seen if Ukraine is winning the war. Right now it looks more like a stalemate.

2. If they are winning it's certainly not because of the attack on the Kerch Bridge. Which while a big psychological blow to Russia, only resulted in disrupting traffic on the bridge for a few hours.
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