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You cannot ignore cause, and only talk about effect. To hear you tell it, Russia just decided to talk military action against Ukraine for no reason, when that idea is ludicrous.
You can’t expect a solution without addressing the cause.
No, Russia has a reason. Of course, they have a reason. They want Ukranian territory. Same as they wanted Georgian territory. And Moldova. Romania. Poland. Austria-Hungary. Finland. Central Asia. Sweden. Turkey. The list goes on and on and on for hundreds of years.
Russia still has the Empire bug. Or at least some of the hardliners do.
No, Russia has a reason. Of course, they have a reason. They want Ukranian territory. Same as they wanted Georgian territory. And Moldova. Romania. Poland. Austria-Hungary. Finland. Central Asia. Sweden. Turkey. The list goes on and on and on for hundreds of years.
Russia still has the Empire bug. Or at least some of the hardliners do.
Russian troops left Georgia. They just carved out autonomous regions for the pro-Russian Ossetians and Apkhazeti.
Georgia is also a very small country, if land and resources was the goal, why not Kazakistan. Half the population of Ukraine, 4x the size of Ukraine. More resources too.
No, Russia has a reason. Of course, they have a reason. They want Ukranian territory. Same as they wanted Georgian territory. And Moldova. Romania. Poland. Austria-Hungary. Finland. Central Asia. Sweden. Turkey. The list goes on and on and on for hundreds of years.
Russia still has the Empire bug. Or at least some of the hardliners do.
Putin has rehabilitated the animal Stalin and is comparing himself to Peter the Great.
Russian troops left Georgia. They just carved out autonomous regions for the pro-Russian Ossetians and Apkhazeti.
Georgia is also a very small country, if land and resources was the goal, why not Kazakistan. Half the population of Ukraine, 4x the size of Ukraine. More resources too.
Russian troops have never left Georgia. They are still occupying those regions. There are fewer than before because they had to send some to be killed in Ukraine.
No, Russia has a reason. Of course, they have a reason. They want Ukranian territory. Same as they wanted Georgian territory. And Moldova. Romania. Poland. Austria-Hungary. Finland. Central Asia. Sweden. Turkey. The list goes on and on and on for hundreds of years.
Russia still has the Empire bug. Or at least some of the hardliners do.
Russia has a reason, but expansionism is not it. If you insist on what you THINK is true as opposed to what one may learn from studying history, it's your choice, but this post (beyond the "Russia has a reason" part) is completely incorrect.
You may need to ask your parent or grandparent, but life before WW2 was a very different life post WW2. After 5 years of war, USA became one of 2 global powers and the leader of the European powers. What followed was the 50s and increasing economic prosperity and the idea of 'American exceptionalism.'
But what the "lord giveth and the lord taketh away" as the saying goes.
Just imagine if in a few short years, due in part to our pushing this folly in Ukraine, we collapse back to just a regional power in the Western hemisphere. The booming years of the 50s would be balanced out by a protracted depression, the likes of which would be worse than the "Great Depression." We would have no great fiscal tools at our disposal due to all the debt burden and loss of primacy of the USD.
I expect, just like the Iraq war, where there was mindless patriotism and tone deaf chants of
- Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
- Saddam is part of the war on terrorism
- We fight them in Iraq so we don't fight them here
- Saddam is a really bad mean person!
That when the dust settles, being for this war will be so embarrassing, most of you will pretend you never were actually for the war.
But the same neocons who got us into Iraq, got us into this one.
Is there any other way to keep them from constantly harassing their neighbors, and putting us all in jeopardy of dying in nuclear holocaust?
Had the west kept its promise to Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not advance eastward; had western governments refrained from displaying arrogance to post-Soviet Russia; and, had western governments refrained from intervening in 2014 and then not pushed the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO, this conflict would not have happened - and Crimea would today be under Ukrainian geopolitical administration (as would the areas Russia recently annexed).
Posters who insist it's all Russia's fault fail to see the history behind the events and assign morality or the lack thereof to nation-state actors; it's akin to viewing complex international issues as "good guy vs. bad guy" contests, and this oversimplified "understanding" of current events makes the study and the comprehension of germane factors and circumstances all that much harder to happen.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63231457
"...They were first taken on buses to Olenivka, a prison in an area of Donetsk controlled by Russian-backed separatists, Lt Samoilenko said.
Days later, he and others, mostly Azov leaders, were transferred to an undisclosed location in Russia. He says he was kept alone in a cell, he recalled, where he did push-ups and sit-ups and kept track of the time by mentally counting the days.
"[But] I wasn't physically tortured," he said, "so it was far from the things people suffered in other places".
Those who were sent to other locations, he alleged, faced conditions that were "very, very poor", which worsened "with each new week".
Some of those released last month told him they had been given limited amounts of water, and that some were malnourished....
Russia, Lt Samoilenko said, ignored the rules of war. "They didn't care about the Geneva [Conventions]. They don't care about the lives of people." However, he said he could not share more details yet.
"The Russians are also watching these interviews," he said. "When they see our happy faces, they're becoming more mad...."
Their release, which saw 215 Ukrainians and 55 Russians exchanged, was seen as a victory for President Volodymyr Zelensky, and a source of national jubilation. The deal happened amid embarrassing Russian setbacks on the battlefield, and how it was brokered remains a mystery.
But the release was bittersweet, Lt Samoilenko said, as many of his "comrades and battle brothers" remained in captivity, and "the Russians were still torturing them, keeping them in inhumane conditions".
Living with his family in Kyiv, his hometown, Lt Samoilenko is waiting for a new prosthetic hand, and receiving psychological counselling...."
Russian troops have never left Georgia. They are still occupying those regions. There are fewer than before because they had to send some to be killed in Ukraine.
Officially, those are not Russian troops, but Ossetians and Circassians. Of course, funded and trained by Russia. And they're protected by Russia, Georgian government knows if they invade, Russia will respond.
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