Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Ruth, it's really not about the territories ( that's why Russian government keeps on going back and forth about it - what they would consider a "victory," in order to announce their own "success." And they want to present themselves as "successful government" no matter what territories they will acquire.
But plenty of Russians understand already that it's not even about the territories, but this current Ukrainian government and the ideology hostile to Russia it's promoting, that is a problem. And this government is a part of a bigger picture of what the "collective West" is trying accomplish in Russia, while encircling it with its military bases, and organizing the "color revolutions" on the near-by territories, not to mention trying to support the internal dissent.
We can argue all we want about Putin's government, but it happens to be so, that Russia remains the stronghold, the opposition to all the "left" ideas that the West is currently actively pushing - the LGBT, the feminisation of men and the rest.
So even if Russia will replace Putin, and will come up with the multi-party system, its staunch Orthodox culture will still be at odds with the current "liberal" trends of the West, and thus any version of the Russian democracy will not satisfy the West, until this very patriarchal culture will be broken down and eliminated piece by piece, as it's currently happening in Ukraine.
So that's why it's really NOT about the Ukrainian territories, unless we are talking all of the South-East of Ukraine, all ports/access to the sea including.
Then may be THIS ( by Russian understanding) would ruin what's left of Ukraine automatically, and it will stop existing as any potential threat for Russia in the long run, since no one will be able to use it agains Russian interests ever again.
But that's from the Russian point of view.
From the point of view of today's Ukrainian government, whose main export and value to the West is hatred of Russia - they can't lose any of the territories that the West was interested in, and this includes Donbass and Crimea.
Because Ukraine is a bankrupt state, that owes the West a lot of money, and the money will keep on coming in, only if Ukraine will keep on fulfilling its purpose - i.e. to keep on participating in planned destruction of Russia and its patriarchal culture.
That's what it's all about, and not the "territories," really.
The bolded is exactly what I was talking about. Of course it's about strategic territories, in that case. It certainly isn't about protecting the rights of Russians in the coastal areas. It's about controlling ports and the shipping lanes from Russia's ports on the Azov Sea. It's probably also about maximizing Russia's control of the Black Sea in general (now that they've separated Abkhazia from Georgia--another piece of Black Sea coastline to add to their collection).
And don't forget another prized territory Russia acquired: the Crimea, another key to control of the Black Sea, and a strategic port location. Plus -- lots of natural gas fields surrounding the peninsula.
1. Crimea was not acquired by Russia. It returned back to Russia. It was never Ukrainian territory short of brief historically insignificant period when it was administratively assigned to Ukraine. All those stories about tribe of Ukrs digging out Black Sea is just stories.
2. It is about creating safety zone between expanding NATO (read - US/GB) threat and Russia. Logically, Russia does not want long range missile systems next to Belgorod and within few minutes flight to Moscow.
Russia launched multiple missiles at Kyiv last night and all were destroyed
by Patriot Missile Defense System .....including 6 hypersonic Kinzhal missiles...
The problem creators of the beautiful propaganda (on either side) have is that they tend to overdo it. In this case they could have said that 5 out of 6 were downed, and at least have an element of some plausibility.
P.S. Additionally, it's not even clear there were 6 to begin with. Like that HIMARS story a while back.
Russia is firing much more missiles of all types near Kyiv to confuse/test air defense systems. How long is their supply going to last? They're out of drones also and needs more from Iran. Soldiers are running away. Where are Russia's tanks?
Maybe now Russia will finally bring in its prized Air Force to handle this situation? I've been wondering where they've been. I mean, a country that has a powerful military like Russia would not want this conflict to just drag on for years. You would want to just get it done and get back to routine business.
I found this article interesting. The Chinese are putting a bigger spin on Bakhmut than the Russians are. The collapsing flanks that the Wagner leader is afraid of are merely desperate efforts to keep escape routes open according to this Chinese website.
Russia is firing much more missiles of all types near Kyiv to confuse/test air defense systems. How long is their supply going to last? They're out of drones also and needs more from Iran. Soldiers are running away. Where are Russia's tanks?
Maybe now Russia will finally bring in its prized Air Force to handle this situation? I've been wondering where they've been. I mean, a country that has a powerful military like Russia would not want this conflict to just drag on for years. You would want to just get it done and get back to routine business.
I have been hearing that Russia will run out of missiles soon for 6 months now. I don't know how this rumor got started. Whether Russia makes their own drones and missiles or buy them from another country, if they can attack Ukraine, they have them.
The Russians tried to win quickly. The invasion of Crimea was too easy, so they thought taking the whole country was gonna be like that. They were wrong and now they are bleeding slowly and painfully.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
