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Old 05-17-2023, 01:00 PM
 
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Conquest, then treaty.

How did this *conquest* come about?

Why did Russians end up in charge of the German lands to begin with?
Remind me please yet again.

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But wasn't the argument that centuries of cultural attachment should be the deciding factor? If that holds for Crimea, certainly it should for Königsberg as well, right?
What "cultural attachment?"
Germans already said that they don't want this land any longer with a bunch of Russians inhabiting it.
There are no more Germans living in Konigsberg. If they were, this would be a different story.



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Or you could just admit that you're in the might-makes-right camp and drop the pretense that Russia is trying to right a wrong.
If we go this rout, then Britons should have never set their foot in America or Australia, Russians - into Siberia, and on and on we'll go.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:03 PM
 
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Yeah, a single Patriot missile is 3-4 mil, and the system is a cool 1 billion.
The thing is, though - the missiles and system are built already, it's essentially a sunk cost. Whereas it looks as if Russia is building a batch of missiles, then firing them. IOW, we can afford Patriots better than they can afford Kinzhals (sp?). Not sure how much a Kinzhal is - or if it even makes sense to try to assign a dollar figure - but I suspect that in millions, it's high single if not double digits.

If someone fires a Patriot missile at an Iranian drone, much different picture, But I suspect they can tell the difference.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:09 PM
 
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The Russians will remain dangerous for decades to come. And they are hardy people willing to tolerate immense hardships. Ukrainians are no different. The EU needs the Ukrainians in their fold to defend against the Russians. Ironically, if Putin didn't treat the Ukrainians like unloved step child but instead gave them the vision to share the world with them, perhaps they would have remained with Russia. So in the end, the kleptocratic despot has noone to blame except himself for Russian decline.



"Defend" from who/what?
From the Russian gas pipes?

There was no need to defend anybody, until Ukrainians came up with their nationalist crap government and started screaming that they are some "defenders of European values," and Russians have to be killed.

Russians meanwhile woke up to the fact lately, that all their vice-speakers of the parliament since the 90ies, now reside abroad - be that Israel or US or EU. ( I need to go through this list.)

So why would people who keep their money in the West and promote fiscal policies in Russia that are convenient to the world bankers would be "dangerous" together with their whole government?
It was all half-hearted game on behalf of Putin's government; more so to please his own population to show the "Russian independence" than anything else.

That's why what will come AFTER Putin is a big question.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:49 PM
 
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The thing is, though - the missiles and system are built already, it's essentially a sunk cost. Whereas it looks as if Russia is building a batch of missiles, then firing them. IOW, we can afford Patriots better than they can afford Kinzhals (sp?). Not sure how much a Kinzhal is - or if it even makes sense to try to assign a dollar figure - but I suspect that in millions, it's high single if not double digits.

If someone fires a Patriot missile at an Iranian drone, much different picture, But I suspect they can tell the difference.
I understand. But eventually replacements are ordered.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericteg...h=796272b496f8

"As the administration sends a Patriot battery to Ukraine, the 2023 NDAA - which the president has yet to sign - calls for adding two new batteries to the 15 Patriot battalions the U.S. currently has available (each battalion includes multiple batteries). The cost of 252 new interceptor missiles earmarked for these is $1.037 billion according to CSIS."

Most quoted number seems to be around $10 mil but who knows.

According to some of the reports very many Patriot missiles were fired.


The system is not good against drones anyway:

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...es-ncna1057461
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:50 PM
 
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New CIA recruitment video message for the Russian audience…

They are also establishing a presence on Telegram.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0Wo6NbWRmE

Translation

- Is this the path that I chose?
- Why are the lives of some people more important than others?
- And who decides that?
- Being a hero means to endure.
- But enduring, it doesn't mean to just pointlessly tolerate, does it?
- The best way to prevent a prisoner from escaping is to make it so that he doesn't even know he is in a prison
- We easily succumb to lies
- However we do know what our world is, what our reality is that we live in.
- And the reality that we talk about in whispers.
- I do not believe in a revolution
- True life occurs where inconspicuous changes are made within people's souls
- Inconspicuous for my country, but not for me
- I will live a truthful life, this is my Russia
- It will always be my Russia
- I will endure
- My family will endure
- We live a worthy life, thanks to my actions

“People that surround you may not want to hear the truth"
"But we do"
“You aren’t powerless”
"'Contact us via a safe method"

Right.
There are so many things so wrong on so many levels with this ad, that I wouldn't even know where to start.

Russians however already responded to it.

( "Our answer to CIA")


And it's in English.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He9u4egnFaE
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Old 05-17-2023, 02:32 PM
 
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Drone-dropped Napalm burned Russian trench covering. Both sides are adapting to the enemy's defense and offense.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQnX0Gt8fXw
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Old 05-17-2023, 03:16 PM
 
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"Defend" from who/what?
From the Russian gas pipes?

There was no need to defend anybody, until Ukrainians came up with their nationalist crap government and started screaming that they are some "defenders of European values," and Russians have to be killed.

Russians meanwhile woke up to the fact lately, that all their vice-speakers of the parliament since the 90ies, now reside abroad - be that Israel or US or EU. ( I need to go through this list.)

So why would people who keep their money in the West and promote fiscal policies in Russia that are convenient to the world bankers would be "dangerous" together with their whole government?
It was all half-hearted game on behalf of Putin's government; more so to please his own population to show the "Russian independence" than anything else.

That's why what will come AFTER Putin is a big question.

Frankly the crux of this war is to weaken Russia as Lloyd Austin himself expressed. They want a Russia that is prostrate and ripe for exploitation and eventually dismantlement into vulnerable component statelets. Ukraine is a means to an end that they've been facilitating the weaponisation of against Russia since 2014 through the colour revolution they backed and the anti Russian fervour that's been getting fanned in that state.
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Old 05-17-2023, 03:49 PM
 
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Grain agreement is reached for another two months. Stealing Ukrainian territories have allowed Russian terrorists to control the livelihood of Ukrainian citizens.


https://youtu.be/SXJrhmFC-7c
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Old 05-17-2023, 04:00 PM
 
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Frankly the crux of this war is to weaken Russia as Lloyd Austin himself expressed. They want a Russia that is prostrate and ripe for exploitation and eventually dismantlement into vulnerable component statelets. Ukraine is a means to an end that they've been facilitating the weaponisation of against Russia since 2014 through the colour revolution they backed and the anti Russian fervour that's been getting fanned in that state.
Russians are well-aware of it, particularly the ones that congregate on Telegram out of all places.

So why would anyone want to target them on Telegram with the kind of ads that Ken posted here, is unclear to me.

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Originally Posted by Ken_N View Post
New CIA recruitment video message for the Russian audience…

They are also establishing a presence on Telegram.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0Wo6NbWRmE

Translation

- Is this the path that I chose?
- Why are the lives of some people more important than others?
- And who decides that?
- Being a hero means to endure.
- But enduring, it doesn't mean to just pointlessly tolerate, does it?
- The best way to prevent a prisoner from escaping is to make it so that he doesn't even know he is in a prison
- We easily succumb to lies
- However we do know what our world is, what our reality is that we live in.
- And the reality that we talk about in whispers.
- I do not believe in a revolution
- True life occurs where inconspicuous changes are made within people's souls
- Inconspicuous for my country, but not for me
- I will live a truthful life, this is my Russia
- It will always be my Russia
- I will endure
- My family will endure
- We live a worthy life, thanks to my actions

“People that surround you may not want to hear the truth"
"But we do"
“You aren’t powerless”
"'Contact us via a safe method"

Last edited by erasure; 05-17-2023 at 04:37 PM..
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Old 05-17-2023, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Frankly the crux of this war is to weaken Russia as Lloyd Austin himself expressed. They want a Russia that is prostrate and ripe for exploitation and eventually dismantlement into vulnerable component statelets. Ukraine is a means to an end that they've been facilitating the weaponisation of against Russia since 2014 through the colour revolution they backed and the anti Russian fervour that's been getting fanned in that state.
No one wants Russia’s 2013 borders changed or dismantled.

I mean even the hawk types don’t want to risk the Chechens ending up with possession of the nukes.

It’s just more paranoia in the name of justifying Russia’s imperalist expansion plans.
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