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Every year on May 18, Ukraine commemorates the memory of the victims of the deportation of the Crimean Tatar people. The deportation of Crimea’s indigenous population from their homeland is one of the most striking examples of the crimes of the Soviet regime.
Ukraine would collapse in days without western support, just like Afghanistan did.
So explain to me why we should continue to prop up Ukraine when we didn’t do it for Afghanistan?
Because of the domino theory fallacy?
You have already made up your mind, but I will play.
1. The Russian invasion of Ukraine caused food and material shortages around the world. African countries risked starvation because the Russians blockaded Ukrainian grains from leaving the Black Sea.
2. Aggressors like China, Iran, and North Korea are watching this war carefully. If Russia can invade Ukraine and get away with it, what will deter China from invading Taiwan and North Korea from invading South Korea?
3. The USA, Ukraine, the UK, and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 in which Ukraine was promised that, if they give up nukes, all these countries would respect Ukraine's sovereignty and borders. Additionally, the USA gave Ukraine assurances that it would intervene if Russia attacked Ukraine. Now the USA is keeping that promise, one it should have kept when Russia invaded Crimea and the Donbas regions in 2014.
4. Personally when I see a wrong being done, I want to stop it. If you see a woman being raped, an elderly person being beaten up, or a child being abused, I am sure you would want to help. In the same spirit, the USA and 40 other countries are helping Ukraine.
Ukraine forces getting ready to abandon Bakhmut. Perhaps by the end of this weekend.
Also: General Zaluzhny, the head of the armed forces of Ukraine and General Syrskyi, commander of the Ukrainian ground forces have both disappeared. Killed by Russian forces? Arrested for treason or scapegoated? Or planning for the upcoming counteroffensive?
I never left. Still here. Especially as I was the last to post. It's the others that left. And it is going well, especially concerning that Reuters article that avoided responsibility and just mindlessly pushed Ukraine's comments. Wow! LOL!
So where are those Ukrainian generals? And what about that stalled Ukrainian counteroffensive? Have they taken Bakhmut back completely? Umm.. no. But let's see what happens. The weekend is not far away.
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You have already made up your mind, but I will play.
1. The Russian invasion of Ukraine caused food and material shortages around the world. African countries risked starvation because the Russians blockaded Ukrainian grains from leaving the Black Sea.
2. Aggressors like China, Iran, and North Korea are watching this war carefully. If Russia can invade Ukraine and get away with it, what will deter China from invading Taiwan and North Korea from invading South Korea?
3. The USA, Ukraine, the UK, and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 in which Ukraine was promised that, if they give up nukes, all these countries would respect Ukraine's sovereignty and borders. Additionally, the USA gave Ukraine assurances that it would intervene if Russia attacked Ukraine. Now the USA is keeping that promise, one it should have kept when Russia invaded Crimea and the Donbas regions in 2014.
4. Personally when I see a wrong being done, I want to stop it. If you see a woman being raped, an elderly person being beaten up, or a child being abused, I am sure you would want to help. In the same spirit, the USA and 40 other countries are helping Ukraine.
If it's the "African countries that risked the starvation," ( and that's what they initial hysteria was all about,) can you explain to me pls why it's the markets of Eastern European countries that were crushed by Ukrainian agricultural products, once the Ukrainian ports were re-open for export?
Another question - did you check where the Ukrainian agricultural exports are going, before making this post and lamenting about the "starvation in Africa," "elderly person being beaten up" and the rest?
Zelenskiy is due to address the G7 summit in Hiroshima, Japan, which begins on Friday. It is likely the Ukrainian president will try to raise the F-16 issue, although he will want to be careful not to embarrass Biden at the meeting of the leaders of the world’s leading economies.
well, here's the thing.
While the US was in control of that puppet government, Ukraine was more or less behaving, how it's teasing the bear.
With the last escapades into the diversions and active military acts On the Russian territory, it looks like US is abandoning that project and is loosening the leash. It is not very popular in the US and elections are looming on horizon
As the result, the so called government there starts feeling brave and going gonzo. US was always very timid on attacking Russia on its territory.
Hence, US reluctance to supply any real fighter jets.
Every year on May 18, Ukraine commemorates the memory of the victims of the deportation of the Crimean Tatar people. The deportation of Crimea’s indigenous population from their homeland is one of the most striking examples of the crimes of the Soviet regime.
OK, let me ask you a question.
Your country is attacked by a very powerful and ruthless invader. A regional local population sides with that invader without hesitation. Same population that, for HUNDREDS of years was a slave market and slaves supplier to your other sworn enemies.
Fortunately, you manage to win this war and recover lost territories. How nice will YOU be to that local population? Give it all blind eye and pretend, it never happened?
You DO know that Tatars for centuries ransacked Ukraine and Russia and Poland for slaves and committed atrocities beyond human? And, sided with the Nazi Whermacht in WW@? You DO know that? Or, should I mention deportation and camps for Japanese during WW2 only on suspiscion that they could possibly collaborate with Japan? No, not a "striking example of crime"?
Sorry, this sort of got to me. You, also, know, that Tatars never were indigenous population to Crimea or Ukraine or Russia? That they came into those countries in the 13th century, burnt them down, killed and slaughtered and turned into slaves locals for around 400 years? That they stayed down in the heaven on Earth regions of the southern Ukraine/Crimea only because of the Ottoman Empire might? And, even after all that, they still were welcomed to the USSR and enjoyed Crimea, until another betrayal?
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