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Old 05-12-2023, 11:08 AM
 
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Prigozhin and Shoigu are likely worried about who is going to be held responsible for the inevitable defeat.
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Old 05-12-2023, 11:17 AM
 
Location: NYC
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It's a shame the Russian and Wagnerite forces can't be as optimistic as our resident Putinists in this thread. They would have won the war by now. Perhaps you guys need to go cheer them up instead of wasting your time in this thread.
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Old 05-12-2023, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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actually, those bad ass Wagnerites were the first ones to run..before the regular Russian Army..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qwWkzz6bYI
I posted this earlier today erasure, just for your benefit...perhaps you missed it?..
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Old 05-12-2023, 11:33 AM
 
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Prigozhin and Shoigu are likely worried about who is going to be held responsible for the inevitable defeat.

Let me give you a hint - definitely not Prigozhin.

He is not worried, his conscience is clear, while someone somewhere in Russian gov. is trying to accuse him of state treason ( if Wagner will dare to leave the positions without the order from MoD.)

Here I see him going point by point of everything what took place, what he asked the government for, what he was promised recently and what has been fulfilled out of these promises and what not.

Then he puts the military matters regarding Bakhmut and what this operation was all about in very simple terms for the whole country to hear.
He states it all in the letter point by point addressed to the court.

So now the clock starts ticking.

https://t.me/ASupersharij/19068

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Old 05-12-2023, 11:41 AM
 
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I posted this earlier today erasure, just for your benefit...perhaps you missed it?..

Why would I believe what some "Ukrainian commander" is saying?
As I already said ( and proved many times,) that whatever information is coming from anything with UA (Ukraine) in it, can't be trusted.
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Old 05-12-2023, 11:44 AM
 
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Prigozhin and Shoigu are likely worried about who is going to be held responsible for the inevitable defeat.
Putin has the most to worry about.
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Old 05-12-2023, 12:01 PM
 
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You know, what that means, right? Or, should I elaborate?

Ah, heck... it means, NO EXPERIENCE of the REAL battlefield.........
You mean like Eisenhower, when he was selected to lead the D-Day invasion?
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Old 05-12-2023, 12:12 PM
 
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You mean like Eisenhower, when he was selected to lead the D-Day invasion?
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Old 05-12-2023, 12:16 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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South Africa is a member of BRICS, along with Brazil, Russia, India, and China. Saudi Arabia and Iran are among the countries who've formally asked to join the BRICS group........
Don't you sort of have to ask yourself, "Who in the world would trade in a currency backed by countries who are failing, at war, looking at demographic collapse or sponsors of terrorism"?
Well, no one would. RICS is just a group of countries who are promoting trade with one another. Like G7.
A truly responsible country would absolutely refuse to trade with Russia.



They have been promoting themselves since 2001 but not much has come of it. India is doing well. Brazil has gone from being a developed country to an emerging one!
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Old 05-12-2023, 12:16 PM
 
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Putin has the most to worry about.



Exactly.

Because from what I see in the current situation is that although Putin keeps himself out of the spotlight in this growing internal conflict, this can't last forever.

Another thing that keeps on popping in the back of my mind, listening to the Russian state media is the following;
So the way I understand the Russian officialdom, is that they are certain in their victory because of primarily two factors- economy that's coming to ruin in Ukraine and the Russian advanced weapons, with which they strike the Ukrainian essential targets.

Therefore, what's going on on the battlefield, doesn't matter all that much in their mind, as long as the war of attrition keeps on going.

I see their point, however with that being said, the kind of weapons they are willing to use, its lethality will only increase with time, the "tactical nuclear weapons" including. In the meantime, the bastards don't care what their own population is enduring - first of all in those border regions with Ukraine. Now civilians there are sitting in the cellars because of the constant Ukrainian shelling, as much as Donbassians from 2014 on. (Nationalist Ukrainians are a murderous bunch - so much is clear.)

And this goes directly against what many in the Russian army ( and around it) are saying ( Prigozhin including,) that none of this "tactical nuclear weapons" are really needed - this war could have been won in a normal conventional way, if not for the corruption in the upper Russian echelon.

Some now are growing suspicious of the downright state treason, or rather the sabotage within the Russian government itself.
So as I've said it's a growing political problem in Russia if anything.
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