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Originally Posted by Pryvete
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Thank you again.
Those that still believe in the notion that "if only Putin is removed from power, the war in Ukraine would stop" until now, know NOT what they are talking about. These people are thoroughly brainwashed, that's all to it.
At the beginning of this war, Russians were agreeing upon the "gentle approach" to Ukrainians, still having memories of "one and the same country."
But after they saw how ruthlessly Ukrainian military tortured Russian POWs, how they killed civilians considering them "not Ukrainian enough," this changed the Russian perception of this war big time.
So even Prigozhin reiterated yesterday that "there is no single Ukrainian soldier left in Bakhmut, because we don't take prisoners" ( that's after Ukrainians started killing his wounded soldiers, instead of taking them as POWs, as it was discovered.)
Then of course there is this ( recent I assume) interview with
Kirill Budanov, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
https://t.me/neuesausrussland/14086
Let me translate it for you in more details;
"The head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov, in an interview with journalist Komarov, announced plans to deal with three million Crimeans, who are "not very loyal to Ukraine ( as journalist put it,) so what are you planning to do about it?"
-After the victory I will go to Sevastopol, this is my hometown. I was born in Kiev, but my childhood was spent in Sevastopol. There will be a lot of work ( after our return to Crimea.) These people are not just "disloyal" - these are people with the altered mind. They lived under the Russian propaganda for 9 years.
-So what are you going to do with them?
- It's easy. They should be held accountable in a just manner. The just manner in our understanding is that certain people should be eliminated physically for their actions. That's why we have a lot of work ahead of us. Our victory is not where it will all end. We'll have a long way to go with the process of reintegration. Excuse me - 3 million people that lived under the Russian propaganda for nine years...
- And this is your famous map that was already demonstrated before... is it how you see things?
- This is just a concept, let's put it this way... Will there be new states on the Russian territory? Yes there will be! And Russians know about it. The world doesn't need Russia in its current form ( borders.) It doesn't make sense. "
Of course American propaganda will never share this interview ( and neither will the Ukrainian one,) but Russians can see it, and they understand very well what it's all about, including that map that Budanov keeps in his desk. And Budanov is not some random Ukrainian guy - he is a chief of Ukrainian intelligence, as I already mentioned. So Russians understand the philosophy of Ukrainian state and what it's based upon for the last nine years.
And that's why there is such big dissonance in understanding, why "Putin" personally is not a culprit of this war. The war will not stop, even if he is removed from the office, because Russians ( at least part of them,) know very well who started this war, and what's really behind it.
And since nowhere in Wikipedia Budanov's nationality is mentioned, I assume he is yet another ethnic Russian, judging by his last name.
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The question you should be asking is even in the alien scenario that Putin were 'deposed', who takes his place? Dmitry Medvedev who has been advocating for a much harsher conduct of the war than Putin (someone of comparable restrain in relation to many around him)? Another Boris Yelstin that allows Western vultures to carve up Russia and exploit its resources with impunity?
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That is a good question, because the more events are progressing, the less Russians take Medvedev seriously with all his "tough talk."
I can see however someone endorsed by Prigozhin. ( Just a guess.)
And this person in fact might be part of today's government already as it is - no need for any "complete replacement" of the government.
After all, Prigozhin is already pointing at specific people in Russian bureaucratic machine, who were helping him throughout Bakhmut events, and who were sabotaging his efforts. ( He has a list he said.)
So it's not like he unanimously condemns them all.
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