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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 01-15-2023, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Life would be great if I could be a Ukranian guinea pig. What fun.

It would also be great if someone breaks into your house while you are just minding your own business watching football. What fun.
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Old 01-15-2023, 11:11 AM
 
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During WW2 Germans had a well designed tank, Tiger, it had a few success stories fighting Russian T-34 but that fact did not change outcome of the war. Just history.
I guess we have very different definitions of what constitutes a well-designed tank. But mistaking useful WWII history and WWII weapons nerdery is a bit of a slippery slope, so...
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Old 01-15-2023, 11:25 AM
 
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Wagner terrorists took over a house, but Ukraine said we are evicting you mofo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkVXcaU7Vds
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Old 01-15-2023, 12:05 PM
 
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I guess we have very different definitions of what constitutes a well-designed tank. But mistaking useful WWII history and WWII weapons nerdery is a bit of a slippery slope, so...
My opinion, just my opinion, i am just a student of history...
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Old 01-15-2023, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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a recent short interview with retired General Ben Hodges..

https://www.rferl.org/a/general-ben-.../32223436.html
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Old 01-15-2023, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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During WW2 Germans had a well designed tank, Tiger, it had a few success stories fighting Russian T-34 but that fact did not change outcome of the war. Just history.
And America had a very crappy Sherman tank, but we had endless crappy Sherman tanks.

You take out 50, we had 50 more ready to replace it.
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Old 01-15-2023, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Now the death toll from the Kremlin missile that shot an apartment building is 30. How many are children? Reports say 30-40 people are still under rubble the the death toll could rise.

Hit the Kremlin where it hurts.
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Old 01-15-2023, 02:40 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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And America had a very crappy Sherman tank, but we had endless crappy Sherman tanks.

You take out 50, we had 50 more ready to replace it.
There is actually an observation about that, if not a lesson.
Germany had big heavy tanks. But they didn't have to put it on a landing craft and transport it across a sea like the Americans and Brits did.
Maybe that's yet another reason America is not in much danger of being invaded. Bringing your "stuff" across one of the oceans is just too big a task. And just think, if Britain had not held on to be used as a staging ground.....


Now, big heavy tanks can be transported relatively easily. There are a lot of lessons to be learned in WW2, and a lot of observations.
The Soviet Union was destroyed because America turned its enemies into trading partners, creating modern Germany and Japan. The Soviet Union ruled their enemies with an iron fist, making those countries progressively weaker and ever more in need of support.
The destruction of The Soviet Union became observable in 1992. It continues on. This is very interesting stuff.
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Old 01-15-2023, 02:42 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Now the death toll from the Kremlin missile that shot an apartment building is 30. How many are children? Reports say 30-40 people are still under rubble the the death toll could rise.

Hit the Kremlin where it hurts.
I think one of the few ways Russia can win at this point is if a NATO missile hits Moscow. The Russian citizens would see it as their Pearl Harbor.
Patience. Russia will lose if the situation is handled right.
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Old 01-15-2023, 03:21 PM
 
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And America had a very crappy Sherman tank, but we had endless crappy Sherman tanks.

You take out 50, we had 50 more ready to replace it.
Something like that, except T-34 was generally well designed machine, may be the best in its class.
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