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Old 11-08-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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The suggestion that there was a "lie," is, in itself ... a lie. A lie told over and over by people who really want to see this country fail.
More to the point, they don't believe in the concept of a country; it's a country of individuals in their view. The United States is only a country when they want to invade some other country for its resources -- then it's the U.S. of A. and important to 'support the troops.' (translation: support our war for the expansion of privatization)
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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As is usually the case, there is more to every story.

Her primary beef was that she could not find a plan on the state exchange that allowed her to retain her Cancer MD and visit the ER of her choice at a different hospital. The opinion piece was ran without checking the facts.. ACA has no restriction on hospitals for emergency care and more importantly, California Law* does not permit an out of network ER from balance billing the ER patient.

So in this case, she gets to keep her MD and use the ER of her choice and her new plan is superior to her former plan.

As it relates to United Health Care's decision to pull out of the California individual market, it is important to know that United had only a tiny portion of the individual healthcare policy market. BCBS and Kaiser have an 80% market share. United chose not to compete.

Good News! Obamacare Will Not Kill Cancer Patient Who Wrote The Wall Street Journal Op-Ed | Mediaite

* There are 50 politically appointed state insurance commissions who make laws and regulate insurers. No two states have the same laws. Some states provide more consumer protection than others.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:29 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A limit does not mean a total exclusion.
Are you aware that Obamacare cost limits don't apply to out-of-network health care providers?

Back to the lefty NY Times...
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"Consumers should be prepared for “much tighter, narrower networks” of doctors and hospitals, said Adam M. Linker, a health policy analyst at the North Carolina Justice Center, a statewide advocacy group.

“That can be positive for consumers if it holds down premiums and drives people to higher-quality providers,” Mr. Linker said. “But there is also a risk because, under some health plans, consumers can end up with astronomical costs if they go to providers outside the network.”
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Your article even mention in NH that a network was being cut from 26 to 16. IMO I don't think that 16 hospitals are that limited.
They are when the nearest hospital isn't included in your plan and the closest one that is is 100 miles away.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Obama would have won with or without healthcare reform.
According to Fox the biggest election issues, in order, were:
Federal Spending, Jobs & Economy, Government Regulation, National Security, Illegal Immigration, and then Health Care.
.. but what really decided the election was RINO Romney's self-destruction
I liked Romney. I still like Romney. I live in a solid blue state ( when it comes to presidential elections) so my vote does not matter. In the end, I vote for Obama for 2 reasons. Romney had been compromised and Obama's position on healthcare moves the U.S. a step closer to healthcare being a human right.

I would prefer a single payer system because it is the only proven model to contain healthcare costs, in absence of or in conjunction with government owned and operated hospitals which is a non-starter in the U.S.

The middle majority ( regardless of party or independent status) is highly unlikely to elect an extremist who runs on a platform of no.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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romney was not going to be the best president, but he would have been FAR AND AWAY better than obama ever thought of being. romney at least would have applied solid business principles in dealing with the economy, and rather than making things worse, he would have made things better. and chances are that obamacare would have been dealt with by eliminating that law and putting in place one that would have really worked.
Again, I liked Romney and still do.

It would have been different, not necessarily better or worse. He's a business man and knows that compromise is always necessary. Maybe, just maybe, he could have educated the likes of large animal vets elected to Congress, on apocalyptic conservative missions, to get over themselves and get back to work.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The ACA is protection for consumers that they would never have had in the health insurance marketplace. Insurance companies can deny you or drop you for pre-existing conditions, raise your premium, deny coverage based upon paperwork errors and just arbitrarily ********* over...on a whim. No one was immuned to this type of vulture practice, even the people that are up in arms over their fabulous insurance being cancelled.

The right wingers are the only people that ALWAYS rant against their own best interests, whether it be doing away with pollutants, toxins, unhealthy food additives, regulating non-consumer friendly and fraudulent business practices and now protection from junk or unreliable health coverage. Are you people crazy or just plain stupid?
5% of insured people have individual healthcare policies. Of this, it is now estimated about 3% of those policies will be terminated.

Where was/is the outrage that 15% of the people had no healthcare insurance?

Where was/is the outrage that 25% of U.S. citizens and legal workers in Texas do not have healthcare insurance?
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: South Bay
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There are many what ifs... How bout this one... What if the Republicans would have put forth a good candidate?
Actually, Romney was a great candidate, and especially for liberals. He would have reached across the aisle for sure. He certainly would have been a strong President in running the "business" of the country. I think he would have been far more proficient than our current Liar in Chief.

The problem is that the left voted for image rather than substance.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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5% of insured people have individual healthcare policies. Of this, it is now estimated about 3% of those policies will be terminated.

Where was/is the outrage that 15% of the people had no healthcare insurance?
The federal government disagrees with you on how many people will lose their insurance under Obamacare:

"Under this assumption, the Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013. The low-end estimates are for 49 percent and 34 percent of small and large employer plans, respectively, to have relinquished grandfather status, and the high-end estimates are 80 percent and 64 percent, respectively."

https://webapps.dol.gov/federalregis...px?DocId=23967

Oh, and that was in back in 2010. Obama KNEW that and LIED to the American public on an ongoing basis for more than 3 years.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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rubbish. if you liberals really wanted to "fix" health insurance, you didnt need a 2700 page bill and 20,000 pages of subsequent regulations to do it. a few changes to the previous laws wold have done the trick. obamacare is not about health care, its about control over the people and you know it. if you dont then you are truly naive, or completely ignorant about how big government works.
What federal laws beyond EMTLA, passed in 1986, that required most hospitals to stabilize anyone who walks through their doors regardless of their ability to pay? This law excludes treatment/rehabilitation/prescription meds. No hospital or medical practice is required to perform these services without compensation.

Maybe you are onto something. Would you mind being more specific about the "few changes", please.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: South Bay
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
5% of insured people have individual healthcare policies. Of this, it is now estimated about 3% of those policies will be terminated.

Where was/is the outrage that 15% of the people had no healthcare insurance?

Where was/is the outrage that 25% of U.S. citizens and legal workers in Texas do not have healthcare insurance?
Is it possible for you to do the math?

3% of 5% is 1500 per million. So what you are saying is that of the 18M IHP's only 27,000 will actually lose their plans.

newsflash: There have been 4M people dropped so far.
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