What if Obama won 2012 election based on health care lie? (legal, extremist)
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I know one thing for sure 100%. If Romney, no matter what you think of him, had been elected, we would not be in this S---city right now. Romney promised he would repeal Obamacare if elected.
Lol what, repeal Obamacare and replace it with Romneycare? Ironic that you're whining about Obama's lies, but studies proved that Romney was the bigger liar during the campaign. So it's ok if a Republican is a liar in your view apparently.
Lol what, repeal Obamacare and replace it with Romneycare? Ironic that you're whining about Obama's lies, but studies proved that Romney was the bigger liar during the campaign. So it's ok if a Republican is a liar in your view apparently.
I'm guessing those same 'studies' didn't rate his statements on Obamacare as lies? Well, now we know - he lied.
This is the truth. I honestly feel he would have won regardless. Romney was a poor candidate choice for the GOP. You all might not want to admit it, but he was. It is ridiculous that Obama won (and I actually voted for him) when the country was in such a bad state, but Romney was just an atrocious candidate and all the divisiveness based on race, gender, and class (please see below about "the Blacks") is the reason why the GOP is out of touch and should have ousted the Tea Party and picked another nominee over Romney.
LOL at the bold, which I alluded to before.
But the rest of your rant is VERY....I'll say silliness polarization.
Dictator lol. You all are way too much.
To the mods, can we have an "Obama lies" sticky? It seems that this forum has been overtaken as late with all the Obama lies about healthcare threads.
All in all though Obama is a better choice than Romney. You all can moan and whine and make crazy allegations about Obama being a dictator all you like, but most Americans voted for him because they didn't like Romney and even though Obama isn't perfect, he just was a better option than his contender.
I'll hold off on giving so many complaints about Obamacare until it goes into effect. I know a lot of what is in it and wasn't dumb enough to think that those people who were on crappy plans weren't going to lose their "plans." This was evident in the fact that the ACA upgrades the types of services offered by insurance companies and mandates that they include certain types of care. So of course people on cheap plans that hardly cover anything would lose their benefits.
I actually was thinking of switching to a crappier plan - one with only catastrophic coverage, basically an HSA with a $5K deductible but covers me fully if I get into a horrible car accident or get cancer after the $5K deductible with Kaiser. I found out early, about 6-8 months ago, that I would not be eligible for this type of plan anymore under Obamacare. But I figured that there would be another one made available and oddly enough Kaiser now does have one like that, but I would rather look on the healthcare.gov site when it is fully operational and see if I can get a better price on a bronze plan as Kaiser's was too much IMO versus what we pay through my husband's employer.
I honestly do believe people will like the plans once Obamacare goes into effect next year. I know the conservatives/GOP/Tea Partiers want to b*tch and moan about it, but only time will tell if it is effective and I have an inkling that it will be so I will hold off judgement on the actual plans until they go into effect.
In regards to the website, that is a whole other story. I actually did get my aunt a plan really early on on the site but have been trying to get my mom on one for over a month now and we have decided to wait until December to try again. Regardless she is excited about it as she hasn't had insurance in a long time (she is self employed) so is looking forward to having coverage. The Kaiser estimation site gave her a good monthly premium rate, but we shall see.
I don't want to be told by anyone, I HAVE to use said plan....and that is what its about, dictatorship. Thousands of people are loosing their insurance due to ObamaCare....and whats next....these stupid leaders have no clue how to roll out a functioning website, no one read the how many pages of this health care rules and regulations....did they put up a bid for making the website, no, obama just went on his own and hired a contractor from Canada, who by the way did a lousy job.
ObamaCare is not about caring about the people...its about dictatorship, making money and screwing the people, telling them how to live their lives, b/c when the government starts making healthcare manditory, then they will be able to tell us how to eat, what to eat, when to exercise, how much to exercise, dictator ship, people are already jumping on that wagon, with the trans fats issues, and it ain't never going to end.
Lol what, repeal Obamacare and replace it with Romneycare? Ironic that you're whining about Obama's lies, but studies proved that Romney was the bigger liar during the campaign. So it's ok if a Republican is a liar in your view apparently.
actually romney would have pushed the states to create their OWN health care reform laws, which is where it belongs anyway, and not at the federal level.
They used to, yes. Obamacare policies are different. Read the lefty NY Times article. In order to keep insurance "affordable" under the Obamacare mandate, reciprocal out-of-network treatment such as you describe has in many cases been eliminated:
A limit does not mean a total exclusion.
With Promedica, I could only use one hospital (in metro Atlanta, they had another in a different part of GA) and the doctors provided for that hospital when I was in college in GA. Though I had to take suburban transit (CCT in Cobb County) I still used the horrible transit and went to the doctor in Cobb versus going to a closer facility and having to pay an arm and a leg.
When my nephew who is on Medicaid came to visit, it was similar. Due to him being on Medicaid, he had to use a clinic that I despise because of the long waits. But I knew that he was limited due to being on Medicaid. I was on Medicaid for a couple months when pregnant back in 2002 and could only use certain providers as well. I took him to the hated clinic and waited for 2 hours for him to be seen and treated and he we was fine. If it had been an emergency, I could have taken him to Grady, the "free" hospital here in Atlanta but the wait would have been longer than 2 hours unless you are basically dying on the floor there lol.
All in all, ACA is being provided for many people who cannot afford regular insurance policies. Many lower income people will do what they have to do to go to the doctor. The NY Times article you linked did say that service areas/hospitals would be narrowed, which would narrow the amount of clinics/doctors, but it did not say that they would be eliminated for people out of state, so what I spoke of earlier stands. Subscribers can still call their insurance company and get a list of the in-network providers and go to those places exclusively.
Your article even mention in NH that a network was being cut from 26 to 16. IMO I don't think that 16 hospitals are that limited. My hospitals with Promedica was only 2 in the state of GA and this was in 2002 WAY before Obamacare. My nephew on Medicaid only had one network that he could use in GA. So have more than 2 or 3 choices IMO is a good deal.
And FWIW, my dad is a veteran and uses the VA now primarily for insurance. If he needs a specialist he has to travel from Toledo OH to Ann Arbor MI, which is an hour's drive. Though he sees it as a pain in the butt at times, he goes to Ann Arbor when he needs to and is happy that he doesn't have to pay anything at the VA but minimal cost and no premiums.
ETA: No disrespect to you Informed Consent but it seems like whining and entitlement to me in that people think they can have something for nothing. I have never had insurance where I can go anywhere I want and have a plethora of choices for care and I have had very good networks before especially with BCBS of GA and they had limited places I could go (WAY less than 16) in Ohio even though BCBS is in Ohio. So I think that many people are just looking to nit pick this program. It is not all that different from what we already have now or prior to 2010 when it went into affect. If someone is only paying $50 a month for a plan, they should not expect to be able to go to any and every hospital and think that that hospital will be in their network. That is ridiculous.
actually romney would have pushed the states to create their OWN health care reform laws, which is where it belongs anyway, and not at the federal level.
I've basically supported ACA, but I think this is a fair counter-point that you raise. In retrospect, it might have been more practical to have states roll out their own sites, pledge federal support for those states that want them, and expand Medicaid. Perhaps the fair criticism to direct toward Obama is that he went too far too fast and tried for dramatic overhaul when there might have been a median to hop to before getting all the way to the other side, so to speak.
I know one thing for sure 100%. If Romney, no matter what you think of him, had been elected, we would not be in this S---city right now. Romney promised he would repeal Obamacare if elected.
Yes he did. Then, just last Sunday, on Meet the Press, he went on to say if a repeal had not been possible, he would have worked to amend it. He favors the individual mandate and inclusion of pre-existing conditions. He would have worked to make it a state mandate to create and operate as was done in Mass.
The thing about presidential/gubernatorial campaigns is that the candidates seek to create the impression that they alone can bring about the desired outcomes. Once elected, reality sets in.
Christie had an astounding win in NJ this week despite his veto of increasing the minimum wage. His opponent ran on a platform that, in part, included increasing the state minimum wage.
At the end of the the people reelected Christie and overturned his veto.
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Ironic that you're whining about Obama's lies, but studies proved that Romney was the bigger liar during the campaign. So it's ok if a Republican is a liar in your view apparently.
