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Old 11-08-2013, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The federal government disagrees with you on how many people will lose their insurance under Obamacare:

"Under this assumption, the Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013. The low-end estimates are for 49 percent and 34 percent of small and large employer plans, respectively, to have relinquished grandfather status, and the high-end estimates are 80 percent and 64 percent, respectively."
That a majority of employer healthcare plans would not meet the ACA benchmark is no secret. No one is more aware of this than the employers. That such plans typically contained lifetime caps is one of the most common reasons even in otherwise solid plans. Most large employers offered compliant plans for the 2013 calendar year or will do so for the 2014 calendar year.

That's quite a leap to assuming that employers would forgo tax subsidies and/or face penalties rather than continuing to insure their employees.

$4565 is the average employee contribution towards their employer's group healthcare plan. This represents an 89% increase in costs between 2000-2010. Employers will be required to note on the employee W-2 the value of the employer contribution. The more people understand what healthcare really costs in the U.S.,the more some people will begin to understand that the status quo is not sustainable.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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It's up to 26 but who cares when the parents insurance has been cancelled. No Republican voted for this law, just remember that when you go to vote next time.
yeah i know its 26 by the obamacare law, but i put in 21 as a more proper age as by that time the kids should be earning their own way anyway.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Is it possible for you to do the math?

3% of 5% is 1500 per million. So what you are saying is that of the 18M IHP's only 27,000 will actually lose their plans.

newsflash: There have been 4M people dropped so far.
Thank you. My math is fine. My rhetoric was hosed.

About 85% ( 269 million) of the U.S. population have some form of healthcare insurance.

The 4M and counting, terminated policies represent about 1.5% of the total insured population.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Um, actually the issues nor the opposing candidates had anything to do with his election.
It came down to massive vote fraud and with a complicit media to make it seem legit.
Is this the Diebold Election Systems debacle in the early 2000's or something else?
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Go 100 miles to your hospital.

My dad goes about 50 miles to the VA. An extra 30-45 minutes is not going to kill someone and if it is an emergency as for a helicopter ride.

Come on now....
You realize that this is WORSE access to medical care than people used to have before Obamacare forced insurance companies to terminate their policies, no?
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Also Rmoney would have given the super rich a 5 trillion dollar tax cut and everybody else taxes would have gone way up to pay for it.
Is there any particular reason you don't want the U.S. to be like Europe's social democracy countries? They do the same thing.
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Let's be more like Switzerland. Look at how regressive their taxes are:



Other countries' taxes are highly regressive - Washington Post

For those who don't understand what regressive taxes are, it means those who earn the least pay the highest tax rates, with tax rates diminishing as income increases. European social democracy countries with national healthcare systems spread the cost among all equitably. They don't soak the rich.

I would be on board with transitioning the U.S. to the same kind of highly regressive tax system Switzerland has to insure 99% of the U.S. population. Would you?
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Was there a topic during the campaign that Obama didn't lie, deflect or misrepresent?
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:17 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That's quite a leap to assuming that employers would forgo tax subsidies and/or face penalties rather than continuing to insure their employees.
It's not my leap. It's the federal government's own leap. That's what they predicted would happen to employer-provided insurance coverage under Obamacare.
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:18 PM
 
Location: High Cotton
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The Dims think it is perfectly okay to LIE and say anything when stumping. Scumbag Obama's lies definitely helped him in a big way win in '08 and again in '12. He should be impeached, drug out of the people's White House, tar & feathered and sent back to Kenya in a small boat with a hole in the bottom.
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Of course Obama Lied. You know it, I know and he knows it......

His problem now, he can't keep up with his lies.
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