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Old 08-04-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Alternative Measures of Labor Underutilization for States

U6 unemployment 14.3%.

There you go folks. Right on the BLS website itself.
So? U6 is always higher than U3.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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Recap:

-Labor Participation Rate for 25 to 54 year olds have gotten worse since Obama declared 'mission accomplished' err the recovery began.

-No college students, military soldiers, and the elderly are not counted as not participating in labor as per some of the eternal excuse making for the 'sacred one' hallowed be thine name.

-Labor Participation Rate for 25 to 54 year olds at lows going back to 1984.

-Highest Rate of poverty in over 50 years and it has worsened since Obama declared the recovery.

-Lowest ratio of full time jobs in work force and falling since Obama declared recovery.

-Highest amount of people ever on food stamps and climbing since Obama declared recovery.

-Growing amount of recent college grads not holding a job where a college degree is required. 45%. Has gotten worse since Obama declared a recovery.

-Household income has dipped since Obama declared a recovery.

-Amount of young adults living in mom's basement increased since Obama declared the recovery.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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So? U6 is always higher than U3.
It's a much more detailed observation. For instance, people who lose their jobs and don't qualify for unemployment (off the grid/off the radar). People who are completely absent from the workforce and on public assistance, people who do things off the books, etc.

Everyone one of these people is potential competition with you for a job.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:24 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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The raw unemployment rate before it passes through political propaganda media outlets and lobbyists is usually double what you are being told. Figure about 14-17% when you count everybody. U6 is what they don't want you to see.
They "don't want you to see" it so much they report it EVERY SINGLE MONTH right alongside the traditional U-3 unemployment rate.



I hear that same stupid argument all the time from people who clearly are too lazy to simply look it up for themselves. There is NOTHING "hidden" about the U-6 UE rate - NOTHING. It's reported every single month right alongside the U-3 UE rate.

Ken
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Recap:

-Labor Participation Rate for 25 to 54 year olds have gotten worse since Obama declared 'mission accomplished' err the recovery began.

-No college students, military soldiers, and the elderly are not counted as not participating in labor as per some of the eternal excuse making for the 'sacred one' hallowed be thine name.

-Labor Participation Rate for 25 to 54 year olds at lows going back to 1984.

-Highest Rate of poverty in over 50 years and it has worsened since Obama declared the recovery.

-Lowest ratio of full time jobs in work force and falling since Obama declared recovery.

-Highest amount of people ever on food stamps and climbing since Obama declared recovery.

-Growing amount of recent college grads not holding a job where a college degree is required. 45%. Has gotten worse since Obama declared a recovery.

-Amount of young adults living in mom's basement increased since Obama declared the recovery.
When did Obama declared 'mission accomplished'?


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-Household income has dipped since Obama declared a recovery.
Really?

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Old 08-04-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It's a much more detailed observation. For instance, people who lose their jobs and don't qualify for unemployment (off the grid/off the radar). People who are completely absent from the workforce and on public assistance, people who do things off the books, etc.

Everyone one of these people is potential competition with you for a job.
As I posted in post#105, it all depends upon what you are trying to measure.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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U-6 is the better number to watch because it contains those that can't find jobs (long/short term) and those working p/t because they can't find f/t jobs.

Underemployment can be just as bad financially as unemployment if you have bills to pay.
U-6 isn't as high as it was in 2009 but it hasn't come down as fast as U-3.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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They "don't want you to see" it so much they report it EVERY SINGLE MONTH right alongside the traditional U-3 unemployment rate.



I hear that same stupid argument all the time from people who clearly are too lazy to simply look it up for themselves. There is NOTHING "hidden" about the U-6 UE rate - NOTHING. It's reported every single month right alongside the U-3 UE rate.

Ken
Ken, I am out of rep bullets for you but I would rep you if I could.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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This is 2013, the days where people get disappointed and angry when the unemployment rate falls.

Or is it just because Obama is in office?
Exactly,, Obama could bring the unemployment level to zero and the righties would just howl,bellyache and whine about something not being right about it.
Lets face it righties just hate Obama, they've hated him from the get go,theres nothing he can do other than resign to make them happy, he'll never get credit for anything as far as they are concerned, for them its its not about common sense or logic or pulling together to help the country its just about the juvenile and selfish game of getting some form of adrenalin rush from the emotion of hate.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:18 AM
 
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Ha!


Part time jobs.

Why was Obama concerned about race relations getting worse, as he recently said, due to the being a smaller pie from which everyone can get a piece?

Some "recovery".
Quarter million dropped out of the workforce. Good times....
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