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Old 03-26-2012, 04:41 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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If we were each the parent of this young Man, how would we now feel, having a dead child. Put yourself into the heads of those parents, who no longer have a child.
With facts without facts, someone is living and someone is dead, the larger of the two alive, the other one dead. Still without being there, i cannot pass judgement, only know what hell the parents must be going thru.
If this were my Son, i too would have an attorney, wouldn't you if this were your dead child.
But from some facts heard, appears zimmerman has been paranoid in the past, without probable cause.

 
Old 03-26-2012, 04:41 PM
 
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Except he didn't use that word.
It has been bleeped out in most national broadcasts.
 
Old 03-26-2012, 04:42 PM
 
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Wait...I thought Martin fell on top of Zimmerman after he was shot and that's why his screams stopped so suddenly. I guess Zimmerman was on top of Martin and then Martin fell on top of him while Zimmerman was on the top of the bottom.

A lame attempt at humor.

Again, are you really suggesting that "who started" the argument has any relevance at all? I think that the conflict started with the assault, which was initiated by Martin. If you don't want to get shot, do not initiate an assault.

Martin could have chosen to simply walk away from a conflict, but chose instead to incite one. It is certainly terrible that he paid for his poor decision with his life, but it was, in the end, his decision.

Would everyone be more happy if Martin had killed Zimmerman? It appears that way and that many here are condoning assault and battery as a logical and normal means of problem solving. Here is the problem- assault and battery is a crime. Further, if one is assaulted and thier life is in danger, responding with lethal force is acceptable. Perhaps this will be a message to thugs everywhere.
 
Old 03-26-2012, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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The op is just like all the conservatives that have basicailly said its ok to kill blacks if they refuse to tell you why you are out walking.

Those are your words, not mine. I've never said it was OK to kill anybody.

And nobody has to tell anyone why they are walking on public property.

You are just like the other liberal extremists. You dream up racist thoughts and then try to transfer them to other people. Just because you may be a racist doesn't mean somebody else is.
 
Old 03-26-2012, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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good point, especially in light of the fact that they have had black people in that neighborhood interviewed defending zimmerman's "intention".

i heard that zimmerman called the police at least 40 times to report suspicious people in the neighborhood, so he was, at the very least, an overzealous neighborhood watchman with too much free time on his hands. (did he even have a job?). clearly, he was a wannebe cop who got shot down in his desire to be a policeman/enforcer.

i will say that this whole thing is a tragedy, (which clearly deserves the grand jury that it is receiving) with yet another tragedy in the making. from the black panthers:

The New Black Panther Party has offered a $10,000 reward for the 'capture' of George Zimmerman.

The group's leader Mikhail Muhammad said the bounty was 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth'.



Read more: Trayvon Martin case: Anonymous witness claims teen attacked killer George Zimmerman before fatal shooting | Mail Online

i am sorry but this country has too many "neighborhood watchers" of all persuasions, with too much free time, deciding on their own course of justice. muhammed should be embarrassed, but i am sure that he isn't.

i think a parallel issue is that we don't have enough americans working anymore, and they ALL have too much free time-with wannabe vigilantes everywhere.
On the contrary, perhaps this suggests Zimmerman shouldn't have been out there all alone. Neighborhood Watch should be done in groups of at least two. Don't blame the Watch programs, they are trying to ensure safety for the residents. He knew who belonged and who didn't. This kid was a newcomer and could have just spoken to George, then none of this would have happened.

I see him wanting to keep track of this kid until the cops showed up, he lost him, was walking back to his car, when the kid confronts him, fight ensues, and Trayvon tries to take his gun, he loses. End of story.
 
Old 03-26-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Lynch mob is grasping at straws now.
Well, what would you call the $10,000 bounty put on his head by the Black Panthers? That's not exactly Welcome Wagon.
 
Old 03-26-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Zimmerman was challenging a stranger who did not belong based on previous criminal complaints in that neighborhood. We need more "Mrs. Kravitz" who care.
Oh, do substantiate!
 
Old 03-26-2012, 04:45 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Sanrene, to criticize the mother for blocking others from profiting from her son's death doesn't mean she didn't love her son. How cruel and insensitive!! By the way, I'm sure the family has legal fees to pay. Maybe she'll use any money she gets to start a counseling center. How do you know? John Walsh lost his son Adam and made an entire career out of it, but it doesn't mean he still doesn't grieve every single day of his life.
 
Old 03-26-2012, 04:45 PM
 
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On the contrary, perhaps this suggests Zimmerman shouldn't have been out there all alone. Neighborhood Watch should be done in groups of at least two. Don't blame the Watch programs, they are trying to ensure safety for the residents. He knew who belonged and who didn't. This kid was a newcomer and could have just spoken to George, then none of this would have happened.

I see him wanting to keep track of this kid until the cops showed up, he lost him, was walking back to his car, when the kid confronts him, fight ensues, and Trayvon tries to take his gun, he loses. End of story.
i am certainly not against neighborhood watch programs, but clearly this did not have a happy ending for ANYONE, and the community will probably be facing a lawsuit from the family, as well.

i think it is nice when neighbors help look out for each other.

i won't rush to judgement on what happened, because i wasn't there, but i think that carrying that gun made zimmerman a braver man than he might have been otherwise, and also probably more aggressive than he might have been otherwise.

maybe neighborhood watch people should just report and not try to enforce, and then maybe we wouldn't have a tragedy like this one.
 
Old 03-26-2012, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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He was?

That is odd - I don't recall the investigation being concluded and charge of murder being filed against anyone.
That's OK... some on this board don't believe in investigations, grand juries and trials. Just prejudiced judgement before they know the facts.
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