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Old 08-18-2011, 04:45 PM
 
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You can't even remotely compete with your current model.

You've tied both legs and arms behind your back in this fight.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:00 PM
 
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there's also a good chunk of jobs that need to be filled that those 22% should get themselves into rather than sitting at home thinking......
There are numerous jobs. But many wont take them until the two year entitlement vacation is over. We need to stop extending the UE entitlements and force many of these people to take jobs that pay less than they did three or more years ago and adjust their lives to it. They will need to except that employers want more (some walk the fine line of illegal) for less. They cant get it out of their mindset that if no one takes the job the payrate will go up. When in actuallity they will either H1B it and it'll be gone or take someone with less knowledge willing to work for less right out of college.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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If globalization is "liberal" philosophy, then Ronald Reagan was the greatest socialist and liberal.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The greedy CEO's, owners and shareholders in combination of past government policies has led to most jobs leaving the country.
Yes, and I'm absolutely certain the Philadelphia Church of God is qualified to render opinions on the matter.

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I was estimating. I have no idea how much "made in china/malaysia/indonesia/etc" jeans really cost.
$0.13 per pair. T-shirts are cheaper.

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I am not sure what you mean when you say wages have been 'suppressed'.
He isn't sure either.

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Wages are only 'suppressed' for people who refuse to learn new skills.
That isn't quite true. National Sugar suppressed wages in Cuba. They were paying their sugar cane field workers in Honduras, Guatemala and Nicaragua $0.90 per day for a 10-hour day and the production workers were getting $3.50/hr to $4.50/hr.

But, National Sugar would only pay Cuban field workers $0.30 per day for a 10-hour day (but they paid the production workers the same rates as those in Honduras, Guatemala and Nicaragua).

That, and the fact that National Sugar refused to pay taxes owed is the reason Castro expropriated their assets. And that is the reason the US tried repeatedly but unsuccessfully to assassinate Castro.

US oil companies also suppressed wages in Mexico.

They refused to pay workers comparable wages to US workers. These workers were engineers, managers, supervisors and other highly skilled technicians and lab workers.

Effectively, they were the "white" Mexicans, the ones of European ancestry who held degrees from US and European universities, not the Native American Mexicans.

They sued and won in Mexican courts, and the case was appealed to the Mexican Supreme Court.

The refusal of the US oil companies to comply with the orders of the Mexican Supreme Court, plus the refusal of the US oil companies to pay back taxes owed (after being ordered by the Mexican Supreme Court to pay such taxes) is the reason President Cardenas expropriated all the assets of US oil companies in Mexico and why they are nationalized now.

Big Oil, of course, wanted to invade Mexico and seize the oil fields, but WW II was looming and FDR wisely decided not to invade, not to mention that most of the senior military staff was opposed to tying up 3-4 army divisions, plus marine divisions and a naval task force. The chances of a revolution by the Native American Mexicans also complicated matters and the military did not want to embroiled in a coup and a revolution.

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Just for the purpose of being accurate when quoting prices in this forum?
$0.13 per pair. That's what the GAP pays. It costs the GAP $0.117 per carton (12 jeans to a carton) to receive, stock, pick and pack for shipment to GAP Brand stores.

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Minmum wage jobs at Walmart and since education is being defunded to the max, how can the youth compete with countires that are focusing on education?
That is contradictory. The rest of the world spends far less but turns out better educated students, which must be completely embarrassing.

Having been a shift supervisor at a meat-packing plant, I can kind of see why Blacks got upset when Africans from Ghana and Senegal who were educated in shacks without electricity or computers or text books come to the US fluently speaking 3-6 languages and being proficient in math and science and take over all the high-paying line jobs in the plant.

I remember I promoted a Senagalese to line leader and the Blacks were frothing at the mouth because he had "just got off the boat."

Yeah, but he could do multiplication and division, correctly, and he could speak, read and write German, which was quite helpful since the packaging machine was made in Germany and the instructions on the computer screen were in German and English and so were the operations manuals, plus he could write all of the end-of-shift production reports in English and spell all the words correctly and his writing was coherent.

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No. It was free trade policies, FTZs, low tariffs for select nations, etc. that led to the destruction of our manufacturing base.
Your manufacturing base was history free-trade agreements or not. You simply cannot compete in a global environment.

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I must confess to being an inadequate consumer.


And an inadequate economist.

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Even with these frugalities we are still losing purchasing power to the monopoly fuel prices and everything that uses fuel.


Then what incredible foresight you had to spend $TRILLIONS in tax dollars building interstate highways and lots and lots of suburbs with McMansions, without any possible means of implementing mass transit in the event of any crisis or other major problems that might arise.

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These policies only benefit the owners of the wealth and resources, foreign and domestic, while eliminating the prosperity previously enjoyed by most of us.


The prosperity that you had was all smoke and mirrors.

You could that prosperity not only refusing to develop 3rd and 4th World Countries, but also by installing puppet dictators to do your bidding and ensure that they could not develop.

So long as no countries on Earth develop, you don't have any competition.

Once other countries began developing, you were forced to be competitive, and that requires that your wages decline.

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We do not need a small change we need a Populist Revolution.
That wouldn't help. What would help is starting the draft, increasing the size of the military to 6 Million and start invading countries, removing the government and installing dictators to suppress growth and development in those countries.

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"You wanna sell to our 350 million consumers
But that is only 4.5% of the global market.

The rest of the world is 6.5 Billion consumers.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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$0.13 per pair. T-shirts are cheaper.


$0.13 per pair. That's what the GAP pays. It costs the GAP $0.117 per carton (12 jeans to a carton) to receive, stock, pick and pack for shipment to GAP Brand stores.
We are discussing the cost to the consumer. Not to the retailer.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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Because it reduces the company’s cost by sacrificing the social obligation any corporation has to the society that protects the investors from full liability for losses
WTF are you talking about? What private manufacturer is protected against marketplace losses?

Were the lehman brother/bear stearns employees protected against their life savings collapsing when their firms went out of business?

Globalization means that the American middle class has to now compete with the indian, brazilian, chinese, etc middle classes - companies and capital are portable worldwide.

Or would you prefer an imperialistic, hegemonistic US using its military to keep the 3rd world nations poor?

WTF is it with clueless, unthinking liberals? They demand that the US lay off of other nations and allow them to grow, and when they do - they screech at the US because these other countries are now competing with the US for jobs for their burgeoning middle classes...
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Palmisano indicated that he needs 1000s of computer engineers but there aren't enough computer engineer graduates.

Palmisano of IBM? He doesn't want any from the US. He wants them from India. They are not hiring for themselves, they are hiring to fulfill outsource contracts.


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Weldon is a venture capitalist for Accuitive Medical Ventures. He invests in companies not people. Most of the R&D for these companies occur outside of the US.
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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Weldon is a venture capitalist for Accuitive Medical Ventures. He invests in companies not people. Most of the R&D for these companies occur outside of the US.
I was talking about William Weldon, CEO of Johnson & Johnson. I should have specified.
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:36 PM
 
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I was talking about William Weldon, CEO of Johnson & Johnson. I should have specified.
Co-ops, Interns and college hires. currently there are six positions available in the US in engineering.

Search Result | careers.jnj.com
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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It's a myth. There are plenty of jobs in America. Just not manufacturing jobs.
Cite, please. And how do these pay compared to manufacturing?
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