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Old 10-18-2011, 09:34 PM
 
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Curoius question and wonder what some of you think.

In my opinion our true democracy flame was put out 30-40 years ago and now we are slowly becoming a socialist state much like the Soviet Union. Not exactly like them but we are taking similar paths. Our freedoms are slowly being taken away by our right to lawsuit pretty much anyone on anything, letting the government decide stuff for us. Cant help but notice the ever widening distance between the fat cats and us working folk. Its been happening for some time but none of the upper powers seem to give a damn. America has too much money and too much info to remain a democracy and I truely believe a group of behind the scenes people are trying to run this very powerful machine.

Also, our economies are litteraly almost one with a Socialist powerhouse in China. Not sure what to think of it all yet but feel sad that I have to be a billionaire in order to be truely free.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:42 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Curoius question and wonder what some of you think.

In my opinion our true democracy flame was put out 30-40 years ago and now we are slowly becoming a socialist state much like the Soviet Union. Not exactly like them but we are taking similar paths. Our freedoms are slowly being taken away by our right to lawsuit pretty much anyone on anything, letting the government decide stuff for us. Cant help but notice the ever widening distance between the fat cats and us working folk. Its been happening for some time but none of the upper powers seem to give a damn. America has too much money and too much info to remain a democracy and I truely believe a group of behind the scenes people are trying to run this very powerful machine.

Also, our economies are litteraly almost one with a Socialist powerhouse in China. Not sure what to think of it all yet but feel sad that I have to be a billionaire in order to be truely free.
No we are not. Soviet history was very different from the U.S. There is no central planning on a soviet scale here, we have no gulags, n o KGB, governments always decide some things, and there is massive inequality in both communist and laissez faire societies.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:49 PM
 
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No we are not. Soviet history was very different from the U.S. There is no central planning on a soviet scale here, we have no gulags, n o KGB, governments always decide some things, and there is massive inequality in both communist and laissez faire societies.
Obama has us well on our way. So well on our way thatRussia put him on one of their stamps.

Yes, we have out of control central planning. We live under an administration actively promoting spying on one another with "see something, say something", we have no rights to be secure in our persons or papers even when not charged or sans warrants (TSA, patriot act, police scanning cell phones at traffic stops, etc... .) How many websites did Obama set up to have people report "lies" about him, three or four already, the last being "attackwatch". Obama has his purple shirts and GREEN is the new KGB of the USSA.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:52 PM
 
Location: The bustling, world-renowned downtown of Pataskala, OH
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this is living, breathing democracy baby. democracy does not=pure unadulterated awesomeness, it was a bad word until recently. but because of the decency of our culture, we would never become the soviet union.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:57 PM
 
Location: I live between Myrtle Beach SC and Raleigh NC.
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The United States is a Republic not a Democracy! Please check it out there is a difference. Google is your friend.

In the Pledge of Allegiance we all pledge allegiance to our Republic, not to a democracy. "Republic" is the proper description of our government, not "democracy." I invite you to join me in raising public awareness regarding that distinction. A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]
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Old 10-18-2011, 10:06 PM
 
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The United States is a Republic not a Democracy!
Thank you. You beat me to it. We are a representative republic, and the elected representatives represent the big buck special interests that provided millions getting them elected.
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Old 10-18-2011, 10:13 PM
 
Location: The bustling, world-renowned downtown of Pataskala, OH
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official name: federal REPUBLIC of the united states of america
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Curoius question and wonder what some of you think.

In my opinion our true democracy flame was put out 30-40 years ago and now we are slowly becoming a socialist state much like the Soviet Union. Not exactly like them but we are taking similar paths. Our freedoms are slowly being taken away by our right to lawsuit pretty much anyone on anything, letting the government decide stuff for us. Cant help but notice the ever widening distance between the fat cats and us working folk. Its been happening for some time but none of the upper powers seem to give a damn. America has too much money and too much info to remain a democracy and I truely believe a group of behind the scenes people are trying to run this very powerful machine.

Also, our economies are litteraly almost one with a Socialist powerhouse in China. Not sure what to think of it all yet but feel sad that I have to be a billionaire in order to be truely free.

Its not a democracy, its a republic. We elect people to represent us, but we do not have a direct democracy.

People have the power to take their government back, and they can do it next year. Simply don't vote on anyone with a R or a D behind their name.
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:49 AM
 
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Thank you. You beat me to it. We are a representative republic, and the elected representatives represent the big buck special interests that provided millions getting them elected.
Sorry, but you are wrong. We are a representative democracy, not a representative republic. A nation can be a republic without being democratic, we are a democracy but one that is based upon representation. Meaning that majority rules through the voice of the people's representatives. To be a republic only requires the absence of a monarch or hereditary head of state.
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Old 10-19-2011, 01:58 AM
 
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The United States is a Republic not a Democracy! Please check it out there is a difference. Google is your friend.

In the Pledge of Allegiance we all pledge allegiance to our Republic, not to a democracy. "Republic" is the proper description of our government, not "democracy." I invite you to join me in raising public awareness regarding that distinction. A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]
Then google it and get a clue:
The United States is a democracy and a republic.

Specifically, the United States is a representative democracy:
Representative democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people, as opposed to autocracy and direct democracy.[1] for example, two countries which use representative democracy are the United Kingdom (a constitutional monarchy) and Germany (a federal republic).
It is an element of both the parliamentary system and presidential system of government and is typically used in a lower chamber such as the House of Commons (UK) or Bundestag (Germany), and is generally curtailed by constitutional constraints such as an independent judiciary or an upper chamber. It has been described by some political theorists as Polyarchy.
Still more specifically, a presidential system is the sort of representative democracy [see above] we have in the United States:
Presidential system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A presidential system is a system of government where an executive branch exists and presides (hence the name) separately from the legislature, to which it is not responsible and which cannot, in normal circumstances, dismiss it.
Saying "We're a republic, not a democracy!" is as wrong and nonsensical as saying "Fido is a dog, not a canine!". Whereas dogs are a sort of canine, republics are a sort of democracy.

Democracy | Define Democracy at Dictionary.com
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de·moc·ra·cy
dɪˈmɒksi/ Show Spelled[dih-mok-ruh-see] Show IPA
noun, plural -cies.

1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.
See? Those definitions describe the United States-- the last one, very explicitly so, but the first one as well.

Republic | Define Republic at Dictionary.com
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re·pub·lic
rɪˈpʌblɪk/ Show Spelled[ri-puhb-lik] Show IPA
noun
1. a state in whichthe supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
See? That definition describes the United States.

The terms 'republic' and 'democracy' are not mutually exclusive.
The United States is a republic.
The United States is a democracy.
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