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Old 08-18-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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Actually, that is a narrow minded view...
It is most definitely information based, but to say it is not manufacturing based does not tell the whole story.
It can also be manufacturing based when we are able to develop competitive advantages that will be difficult to outsource as the industry develops. This is totally possible, and if you cannot see that advanced niche manufacturing is an area where we can add value, then I would question if you really know as much as you say you do.

Use some of your learning and learn about how Brazil and Colombia actually produce energy for internal consumption and import less % (relative to the US) - and they are not huge oil producing states. Both countries embrace the information economy, but they are at least attempting to take a holistic and balanced view of managing their economies and have been quite successful... or is learning from others not something you condone? You are one of those who is always right?
Information based economies (over the next few decades) have higher potentials for growth. Given the question posed to me was on how I will provide for the future of my family and my children, I can safely say that I feel comfortable staying in information based fields. If you want to have a conversation about net US macroeconomic trends, I would love to do so, however that is not the question to which I was replying. Obviously this is not a black or white (information or manufacturing) issue.
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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yep liberalism at its best...

thank the liberals for the globalist (socialist) movement....freetrade started with brzezinski (mentor of carter, bush1, clinton, and obama)

as ross perot said when he debated clinton..."you will hear the sucking sound" of jobs leaving........


liberals are killing this country

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To call global corporate capitalism "socialism" or "liberal" makes a person seem about as uninformed as they possibly could be.

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Old 08-18-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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To call global corporate capitalism "socialism" or "liberal" about makes a person seem about as uninformed as they possibly could be.
is that all you can do ...troll

you got deleted for that they other day too
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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"Bilderberg clones and the NAM"

What did you mean?
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:22 AM
 
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I have never met a "LIBERAL" that supported the globalization of anything. As far as I am concerned we should be manufacturing everything we need in this country and only importing Bananas, Tea and Coffee. Socital prosperity and "good" economic efficiency are rarely the same thing.
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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is that all you can do ...troll

you got deleted for that they other day too

If you could make a post that didn't equate something you don't like as being "Liberal" or "socialist", I think people on this forum might fall over.


Child murderer!!

"Liberal!!"

Salmonella poisoning!!

"Socialist!!"

Completely absurd.
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Miami
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Your country basicly imposed tariffs on all it's imports to leverage the NAFTA agreements into existance. "You wanna sell to our 350 million consumers on a level playing field well drop your trade restrictions and we'll drop ours and with our production might we can out perform your smaller manufacturing base to stimulate your business re-locating to the U.S."

All of that worked fine for a "Minnesota Minute" until business's started to realize they could maximize dividends even more if they moved completely overseas.

You got snookered at your own game!
not really, the unsuspecting citizens got snookered, those in power loved it
sometimes it is practical to outsource sometimes it is not, depends on a lot of factors, many complex... the fact is, we should not be subsidizing using tax payer money to avoid outsourcing...
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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"Bilderberg clones and the NAM"

What did you mean?
What did I mean, you ask??????

I mean the Globalists
... in this case Obama & Perry for sure, and maybe Bachwoman, depending on how long it takes her to catch on to the game... but Obama and Perry are the ones I had in mind...

think about it...
middle class purchasing power being eroded, dollar devalued, interest rates at record lows penalizing savers, consumption decreasing, incomes falling, inflation increasing, huge debt, huge retirement population, lower standard of living, lower tax revenue, cut services... spells doom for the middle class, yet we count on them for consumption... we are supposedly a consumer economy, but now only the rich people are maintaining their consumption levels...so we need to pump more money into the system and more people into the country to maintain consumption, but hey instead of fitting more millions into the country, why do not we just expand the country, pool our currencies, and open the freakin borders?

the decision will be made for us, because we won't have a choice...
desperate times will call for *desperate* measures, it will be the only way to sell the idea to the people...

I'm not nuts, it is just economics, someone here who knows economics feel free to argue to me and tell me why the NAM is not a viable alternative to a meltdown...

results do not seem to be too bad:
you will probably see a stronger Amero, higher consumption, more job opportunities, legalized marijuana, and a consumption tax that does not matter if you are illegally dealing drugs or doing it legit, and more money to finance wars with Islams

that, my friend is a globalist... and both Obamachange and Rock Hudson Perry are the perfect candidates to implement it...

so if Ron Paul starts getting serious support, he will be put out of action...
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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I have never met a "LIBERAL" that supported the globalization of anything. As far as I am concerned we should be manufacturing everything we need in this country and only importing Bananas, Tea and Coffee. Socital prosperity and "good" economic efficiency are rarely the same thing.
greg, then you need to open your eyes..the modern liberal (not classic liberalism) is a globalist socialistic (hybreded with fascism):



In order to bring about a North American Union (NAU), the public first has to be conditioned to think of themselves as North Americans. ... "Zbigniew Brzezinski has been a CSIS counselor, and at Mikhail Gorbachev's first State of the World Forum in 1995, Brzezinski revealed:


"We cannot leap into world government through one quick step.... The precondition for eventual and genuine globalization is progressive regionalization because by that we move.

"At this point, it is worth remembering that in Stalin's January 1913 address in Vienna, he advocated national loyalties becoming subservient to regions. And 3 years later, Lenin in 1916 proclaimed:

"The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them."

"...in Brzezinski's BETWEEN TWO AGES (1970), he praised Marxism, and he claimed that "the nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty." One aspect of American sovereignty that is being yielded is ownership of American companies by Americans. In the first 9 months of 2007, 69 companies in New England alone have been sold to foreign buyers. Nationally, the French company Alcatel bought Lucent Technologies in the U.S. just a couple of years ago, and in September 2007 announced it will be cutting thousands of jobs. ...

"This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations." Brzezinski

"Modern day globalization was launched with the creation of the Trilateral Commission in 1973 by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski. Its membership consisted of just over 300 powerful elitists from north America, Europe and Japan. The clearly stated goal of the Trilateral Commission was to foster a 'New International Economic Order' that would supplant the historical economic order.



"...The Trilateral Commission nonetheless established a headlock on the Executive Branch of the U.S. government with the election of James Earl Carter in 1976. Hand-picked as a presidential candidate by Brzezinski, Carter was personally tutored in globalist philosophy and foreign policy by Brzezinski himself. Subsequently, when Carter was sworn in as President, he appointed no less than one-third of the U.S. members of the Commission to his Cabinet and other high-level posts in his Administration. Such was the genesis of the Trilateral Commission's domination of the Executive Branch that continues to the present day.

"With the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, Trilateral Commission member George H.W. Bush was introduced to the White House as vice-president. Through Bush's influence, Reagan continued to select key appointments from the ranks of the Trilateral Commission. In 1988, George H.W. Bush... was followed by fellow Trilateral Commission member William Jefferson Clinton, who... appointed fourteen fellow Trilateral members to his Administration.

After its founding in 1973, Trilateral Commission members wasted no time in launching their globalist strategy. "In short, the 'house of world order' would have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."...

The "world's intellectual leadership" apparently refers to academics such as Gardner and Brzezinski. ...



Article Six of the U.S. Constitution states that 'all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.'



Because international treaties supercede national law, Fast Track has allowed an enormous restructuring of U.S. law without resorting to a Constitutional convention.... As a result, national sovereignty of the United States has been severely compromised ...


who is pushing for UN control (globalization)...the liberals

We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis...and the nations will accept the New World Order.." David Rockefeller

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. 'This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before." President Obama's former Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel

"Globalization is not a random-walk process. It moves forward according to a tangible, coherent and well-planned strategy." Patrick Wood, The Globalization Strategy

When Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1847, his closest friend and benefactor was Frederick Engels, the son of a wealthy capitalist, and in 1902, the leaders of the British Fabian Society (an appendage of the communist movement) began holding weekly meetings

The roots of the United Nations -- the most visible part of the new global management system -- might be compared to the many deep and spreading roots of a tenacious vine. Some of the roots are short and shallow. Others are long and deep, firmly imbedded in powerful social, political and financial institutions in Europe and North America, which -- for various reasons -- shared Lord Tennyson's vision of a "federation of the world." ...: "Locksley Hall" by Alfred Lord Tennyson, 1842

For I dipt into the future far as human eye could see,

Saw the Vision of the world and the wonders that would be....

'Till the war-drum throbb'd no longer and the battle flags were furl'd

In the Parliament of man, the Federation of the world.

There the common sense of most shall hold a fretful realm in Awe,

That the kindly earth shall slumber, lapt in universal law.


1888. Edward Bellamy also embraced Tennyson's vision, and his book, Looking Backward, helped spread the vision of a socialist world government Bellamy clubs began forming across the USA.

1895: The Fabian Socialists establish the London School of Economics. Though the Fabians are dominated by an intellectual elite, and The Group [Rhodes' Round Table members] is dominated by a financial elite, they both believe in a socialist relationship between government and the masses.

1891: To select and train world leaders worthy of his vision, Cecil Rhodes established the Rhodes Trust and the Rhodes Scholarship Fund. He had acquired the wealth needed to pursue his global ambitions in the gold and diamond mines of southern Africa.

The power and influence of Rhodes Scholars who have pursued their sponsor's vision has, through the last century helped steer "progress" toward global governance. Dr. Monteith wrote:"During the past century over 4600 young men have been sent to Oxford University where they were indoctrinated in socialism and world government. President Bill Clinton, General Wesley Clark, Strobe Talbot, Senator Bill Bradley and thousands of other prominent men are Rhodes Scholars. They work in government offices, in international banks, on the board of corporations, in tax-exempt foundation, in the Supreme Court, in the media, in our universities in the United Nations Association, and in the Council on Foreign Relations."

1913 (January). President Woodrow Wilson wrote in his book, The New Freedom: "We are in a new world.... In the new order, government and business must be associated closely.... We stand in the presence of a revolution.... (which) will come in peaceful guise...."

1913 (December 23): President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act. "One of the individuals who helped to plan the Federal Reserve is Frank Vanderlip, president of Rockefeller’s National City Bank

1915. According to the Reece Committee (the Special House Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations), which would later investigate tax-exempt foundations that funded communist organizations and their international goals, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace launched a propaganda program in 1915 to persuade the American people to fight in World War 1. During these investigations in the 1950s, the Congressional Committee found that:


Many of our large foundations were actively promoting communism and socialism


The foundations influenced State Department policy and were largely responsible for bringing communism to China.


The foundations were working to undermine our constitutional form of government.

In the official minutes of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the Reece Committee also found the following specific questions which were discussed by the Carnegie trustee:

"Is there any means known to man more effective than war, assuming you wish to alter the life of an entire people?'"

"How do we involve the United States in a war?"

"How do we control the diplomatic machinery of the United States?" [Their conclusion: "We" must control the State Department


1918. "Russia is pointing the way to a great and sweeping world changes. It is not in Russia alone that the old order is passing . There is a lot of the old order in America, and that is going, too.... I am glad it is so." William Boyce Thompson, Federal Reserve Bank director and founding member of the Council on Foreign Relations wrote these words in the January issue of New York World


1921. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) was founded -- mainly through Col. House's influence. To build the needed network of globalist support groups, it would disperse tens of millions of dollars annually from the major tax-exempt foundations such as the Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations. Global Tyranny, page 54


The CFR would be the U.S. equivalent of the British RIIA, the Royal Institute of International Affairs. As Professor Quigley wrote,

"...the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Council on Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris."


1935. The Masonic symbol of the eye in the pyramid is officially added to the U.S. dollar bill. Henry A. Wallace, President Roosevelt's Secretary of Agriculture (a Socialist and Theosophist who later became Roosevelt's vice-president) explained:

"Roosevelt as he looked at the colored reproduction of the Seal was first struck with the representation of the 'All Seeing Eye,' a Masonic representation of The Great Architect of the Universe.... Roosevelt like myself was a 32nd degree Mason. He suggested that the Seal be put on the dollar bill." Henry A. Wallace, Socialist Sec. of Agriculture and, later, Vice President under Roosevelt


1939. Future Secretary of State John Foster Dulles (CFR member) delivers a speech to YMCA. He states, "[There must be] some dilution of sovereignty, to the immediate disadvantage of those nations which now possess the preponderance of power..

1941 (January 6). In his speech to a Joint Session of Congress, President Franklin D. Roosevelt said, "Since the beginning of our American history we have been engaged in change – in a perpetual peaceful revolution – a revolution which goes on steadily, quietly adjusting itself to changing conditions.... The 'World Order' which we seek is the co-operation of free countries, working together in a friendly, civilized society....

1944. President Roosevelt chose Alger Hiss as his acting director of the State Department's Office of Special Political Affairs in charge of all postwar planning -- ignoring all the FBI evidence of his Communist activities

1945 (2/4-2/11): The Yalta conference -- Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin met to discuss post-war resolutions. Alger Hiss accompanied Roosevelt as his advisor. Roosevelt continued to ignore the FBI warnings about Hiss

".. In addition to immediate military and political problems, the conferees discussed the United Nations organization charter that had recently been drafted a Dumbarton Oaks. A compromise formula to govern voting in the Security Council was found acceptable...."


1973. The Trilateral Commission was established, primarily by David Rockefeller (chairman of the Rockefeller controlled Chase Manhattan Bank) who funded it. He had been inspired by a proposal by Zbigniew Brzezinski, a global-minded Professor at Columbia University who suggested a three-fold partnership between Western Europe, North America (US and Canada) and Japan.

Its US membership would include Brzezinski; former president George H. Bush; Richard Gardner (Columbia University); Alan Greenspan (Federal Reserve); Samuel Johnson (Johnson & Son Inc); Robert McNamara (former president of the World Bank); Brent Scowcroft; Donna Shalala (Chancellor, U. of Wisconsin and Clinton's Sec. of DHHS); Albert Shanker (Pres. of American Federation of Teachers); Strobe Talbott (Editor-at-large, Time); Lester Thurow (Faculty, MIT); Paul Volcker (Faculty, Princeton University).

1973. After a trip to China, David Rockefeller praised Mao Tse-tung who had slaughtered over 40 million people. His report, "From a China Traveler," highlights the goals presented in UN reports such as "The Commission on Global Governance" and UNESCO's "Our Creative Diversity." Both focus on lofty ideals such as peace, harmony and unity in the communitarian "global" village -- a vision that demands absolute control and universal participation in facilitated small groups (modeled by the hierarchy of "soviets" or councils in Communist lands):

"One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony.... Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution it has obviously succeeded .... in fostering high morale and community purpose. General social and economic progress is no less impressive....The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly form the singleness of ideology and purpose.... The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history." New York Times, 8-10-1973.

1991 (May 21). "In an address to the Bilderberg organization meeting at Evian, France, Henry Kissinger said,

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenarios, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."


just open your eyes greg the liberals (and the neo-cons(liberals in southern baptist clothing)) are all globalists...
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:55 AM
 
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If you could make a post that didn't equate something you don't like as being "Liberal" or "socialist", I think people on this forum might fall over.


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if you only understood that the 'liberals' (modern american liberals, not classic liberalism) came from the progressive movemnet..the same movement that gave us marx, stalin, mussolini, hitler..they of course you would be saying 'no it didnt'

wake up man..open your eyes...the ameican liberals of today (in politics) are the fascists of yesteryear
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