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Obama has no chance. He may not even win nomination.
?? You reaffirm my belief that you are not 100% on your understanding of US Politics.
Obama is the de facto head of the Democratic Party. He will not win the nomination because there will not be a race. He will automatically be the Democratic Party's presedential candidate in 2012.
No modern president has ever been asked to step down from his own parties nomination. Ever.
Two years away is a long time in American politics. His chances are better than not. I'd say, 2 out of 3. But if he keeps expanding the deficit, keeps giving into tax cuts without spending cuts, he isn't going to win my vote next time.
The redistricting coming out of the census might affect the election, since electoral college votes are based on congressional representation.
That aside, Obama is toast if one of these three things happens between now and the election:
1. There is a big foreign policy crisis, something like the Iran Hostage Crisis (if anyone remembers that).
2. The left wing Dem base is so unhappy with Obama that they run a credible primary challenge, and then "stay home" in Nov after their challenger is defeated.
3. There is a double-dip recession and this weak economic recovery we are in falters.
Well, while I think that would be absolutely groovy, I am guessing you don't feel the same way.
If so, don't you think it's important that Republicans actually find an electable candidate to run in 2012? Pollsters are trying to predict the future. No one knows what will happen 2 years from now. What I do know is this, palin ain't gonna cut it. And why isn't Palin electable? Because instead of actually trying to solve problems and unite the country, she goes around and says silly things like "If Obama wins in 2012, it will be for president of the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America"
FWIW - the problems you are led to argue about are far different from the actual problems that face Americans.
To illustrate, did you know that the government went bankrupt in 1933?
Since 1933, no lawful money has circulated.
Since 1935, no duly enrolled and enumerated American "human resource" has the standing to absolutely own private property.
These facts are in print, in any county courthouse law library.
Do not believe me - write a polite letter to your congressman. Ask for :
A copy of the law that defines a "dollar bill" to be equivalent of a dollar, as defined in the Coinage Act of 1792.
A copy of the law that requires ALL Americans to enroll and participate in FICA / Social Security.
A copy of the law that punishes ANY American who does not enroll nor participates in FICA/SocSec.
Of course, you should know that you won't get a reply. At least, no one I know of has - myself included.
You can ask any other question, and get a swift reply, but don't dare ask about "voluntary" participation in national socialism. Or ask for the "official procedure" to volunteer out. (Isn't that "Hotel California" playing in the background?)
Why would any one wish to "volunteer out"?
To escape Collective Ownership by the State - http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/c...ender.shtml#q2
"Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
That's right - EVERYTHING you thought you owned, including your labor, is pledged as a surety on those "dollar bills".
FWIW - the problems you are led to argue about are far different from the actual problems that face Americans.
To illustrate, did you know that the government went bankrupt in 1933?
Since 1933, no lawful money has circulated.
Since 1935, no duly enrolled and enumerated American "human resource" has the standing to absolutely own private property.
These facts are in print, in any county courthouse law library.
Do not believe me - write a polite letter to your congressman. Ask for :
A copy of the law that defines a "dollar bill" to be equivalent of a dollar, as defined in the Coinage Act of 1792.
A copy of the law that requires ALL Americans to enroll and participate in FICA / Social Security.
A copy of the law that punishes ANY American who does not enroll nor participates in FICA/SocSec.
Of course, you should know that you won't get a reply. At least, no one I know of has - myself included.
You can ask any other question, and get a swift reply, but don't dare ask about "voluntary" participation in national socialism. Or ask for the "official procedure" to volunteer out. (Isn't that "Hotel California" playing in the background?)
Why would any one wish to "volunteer out"?
To escape Collective Ownership by the State - http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/c...ender.shtml#q2
"Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
That's right - EVERYTHING you thought you owned, including your labor, is pledged as a surety on those "dollar bills".
Uh oh...
I am aware of what you say, I learned it in 8th grade government. I just don't care. I don't think it's practical for a multi trillion dollar economy to be held to the gold standard.
If the government ever falls or is overthrown, I have a lot more to worry about then who owns the title on my house.
BTW, you may have included the wrong Link. What you directed me too did not answer my question of which republican could possibly unseat Obama?
The redistricting coming out of the census might affect the election, since electoral college votes are based on congressional representation.
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It certainly might. But it is not guaranteed. I don't mind people positing, I do mind them stating guesses as absolute facts, which is what many (not you) on this thread were doing.
Irregardless, Florida and Texas did not recieve enough population to overtake the Democratic powerhouse that is California and New York. And Florida is so close to being a swing state as it is, it is very possible that it could be blue.
The census information could be great for Dems, it could be terrible. We just don't know.
In case you were unaware, the Census measures population, not voting habits. All the census said is a lot of people have moved to Republican leaning states. It didn't say that those people were suddenly going to change their voting habits. If 80 million Americans voted Democratic in the last Presedential election, then chances are they will again, regarldess of where they live.
If you look at Pennsylvania and Colorado, they were once solidily Republican States. Then a whole bunch of people moved there, and guess what. Now they are swing states. That maybe very well be the case with all these Southern, republican, states that saw population booms.
I don't think you know what you are talking about. Saying that the census measures the fortunes of a political party is like saying you broke a mirror so now you will have 7 years of bad luck. Sure, you may have 7 years of bad luck, but it probably had nothing to do with the mirror.
The biggest thing that is going to shock Republicans is when Texas becomes a swing state and it's going to happen by 2024. Between the influx of people from other states and the rising Latino population it's only a matter of time.
Once that happens the Republican Party is either going have to modify it's platform or basically become a regional party that does well in the South and Mountain West and struggles in presidential elections.
The biggest thing that is going to shock Republicans is when Texas becomes a swing state and it's going to happen by 2024. Between the influx of people from other states and the rising Latino population it's only a matter of time.
Once that happens the Republican Party is either going have to modify it's platform or basically become a regional party that does well in the South and Mountain West and struggles in presidential elections.
As a Texan, I can tell you that I see this happening everyday around me. A lot of people have become disillusioned with the Republican party in my circle of friends/family. It is very hard to get behind republicans once you have openly gay family members, or your children start marrying Latinos.
Of course, the Republican party COULD go back to being about fiscal conservatism and staying away from social issues that are not under the perview of the government, but....I don't really see that happening.
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