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Old 12-24-2010, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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That is not necessarily accurate.
sure it is!!! Remember we are talking generalities here and not every single little increase.

Nita
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Old 12-24-2010, 08:07 AM
 
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why are we speculating so far in advance?? all it does is extend the campaign season and keeps those idiots from doing their jobs.

Listen to that moron McConnell. His goal right now is to make Obama a one term president. WTF???? its 2010 and hes already campaigning for Republicans in 2012.

and the dems were equally as bad under Bush with this crap. The first debate for 04 dems was 2003 again WTF. Stop wasting time letting our country go to *****, get to work.

We were better off without any of the cable news companies constantly watching these idiots.
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Old 12-24-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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That's the thing. It is obvious that "R" voters hate everything he does, just like "D" voters hate everything "R" presidents do, but a presidents success is measured by his/her ability to accomplish their goals. You may not agree with his goals, but the fact remains that he has been very successful in reaching them, and now it seems that the economy is coming back. The 401Ks have already come back big time because we have just witnesses the biggest stock market rally in US history. People care about their 401Ks because their futures depend on them. Gay issues etc are nice to talk about, but people don't really care about it because it has very little relevance in their own lives.
I disagree on that b/c if a President has goals that are detrimental to America, that is not a success. If you ask me if I think Obama has been successful in his mind then the answer is Yes (for the most part; of course he wishes he could do more).

Think about it. Obama criticized Bush for big spending and deficits (a fair complaint) but he has spent much more and given us far larger deficits than W. Don't believe that Obama HAD to spend the additional money; if you believe that, then you have to agree we HAD to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama said unemployment would peak t 8% if we passed his stimulus, while it has been at 9%+ for 18 months (or so) and counting. We're currently at 9.8% official, with 'real' UE much higher than that. He said his Healthcare bill would lower our premiums by up to $2,500/annum (for a family) while premiums have gone up. He said that those who are already insured would be able to 'keep your plan,' but that is not true. I'm still with the same provider, but my plan has changed. Many people have had their plans changed as a result of the legislation while some companies have stopped offering certain types of plans (in GA, for example) and there have been some smaller providers that are no longer afloat. One company went under thanks to the law and had 1 M or so policy holders. Many companies have requested waivers from Obamacare just to continue providing coverage. All this and the bill has yet to be fully implemented. He said the bill would help reduce the deficit; yeah right!

I can't argue with the rise in the markets and am glad that had happened. Obama did support the TARP (which I opposed), so he can get some credit for the rise in the stock market to the extent that TARP has contributed to it (which it has, at least in part).

What has Obama done to promote Economic growth? From my view, his policies are firmly anti growth: Big Government, big deficits, higher taxes, higher regulations, more unions, higher energy prices, more mandates. The way that he talks is nauseating enough; it's as if he has animosity towards anyone who has achieved. It's none of his business what someone made and it's their money, whether he likes it or not. Of the people Obama calls 'rich' (those earning $250K as a family), the vast majority of them are not billionaires and while a good percentage maybe millionaires if you add all their assets, it's not like they're flush with cash. And even if they are, why must they be targeted as not paying their fair share, or being greed or evil?

Think of Obama's wish list: tax hikes on the 'rich' (income and capital gains), cap and trade (higher energy prices), card check (more unions), Amnesty, Obamacare, more onerous regulations (esp from EPA) and down the line. If all of these were passed, do you really think it would help the Economy? How?

Here's a question... if someone who pays $75K +/annum in taxes is not paying their 'fair share,' how is it that tens of millions of people who pay NOTHING in federal income taxes are paying their fair share? What is someone's fair share? What %? The progressive income tax is more a tool of class warfare and to pit citizens against each other than a beneficial Economic policy. What difference does it make to us if the person down the street (in the top tax bracket) pays 35% or 40% in taxes? Our lives aren't any better if they pay 40% or worse if it's 35%.
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Old 12-25-2010, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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The Census data didn't say that at all.

In case you were unaware, the Census measures population, not voting habits. All the census said is a lot of people have moved to Republican leaning states. It didn't say that those people were suddenly going to change their voting habits. If 80 million Americans voted Democratic in the last Presedential election, then chances are they will again, regarldess of where they live.

If you look at Pennsylvania and Colorado, they were once solidily Republican States. Then a whole bunch of people moved there, and guess what. Now they are swing states. That maybe very well be the case with all these Southern, republican, states that saw population booms.

I don't think you know what you are talking about. Saying that the census measures the fortunes of a political party is like saying you broke a mirror so now you will have 7 years of bad luck. Sure, you may have 7 years of bad luck, but it probably had nothing to do with the mirror.
Wow you have no understanding of the electoral politics do you? Blue states lost seats red states gained seat.


2010 Census to Offer Bad News for Democrats - CBS News

"The population continues to shift from Democratic-leaning Rust Belt states to Republican-leaning Sun Belt states, a trend the Census Bureau will detail in its once-a-decade report to the president. Political clout shifts, too, because the U.S. must reapportion the 435 House districts to make them roughly equal in population, based on the latest census figures."

Yeah, there is a good chance Texas will turn blue in my life time!

"The biggest gainer will be Texas, a GOP-dominated state expected to gain up to four new House seats, for a total of 36. The chief losers — New York and Ohio, each projected by nongovernment analysts to lose two seats — were carried by Obama in 2008 and are typical of states in the Northeast and Midwest that are declining in political influence.
Democrats' problems don't end there.
November's elections put Republicans in control of dozens of [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]state [COLOR=#366388 !important]legislatures[/color][/color][/color] and governorships, just as states prepare to redraw their congressional and legislative district maps. It's often a brutally partisan process, and Republicans' control in those states will enable them to create new districts to their liking."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_census_redistricting (broken link)

You really should refrain from posting until you catch up.

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Old 12-26-2010, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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why are we speculating so far in advance?? all it does is extend the campaign season and keeps those idiots from doing their jobs.

Listen to that moron McConnell. His goal right now is to make Obama a one term president. WTF???? its 2010 and hes already campaigning for Republicans in 2012.

and the dems were equally as bad under Bush with this crap. The first debate for 04 dems was 2003 again WTF. Stop wasting time letting our country go to *****, get to work.

We were better off without any of the cable news companies constantly watching these idiots.
Do you not know at what time Obama started campaigning for 2008? Maybe it was in January of 2007. At that time he and Dirty Harry Reid were telling us that The Surge in Iraq wouldn't work and it was months from beginning. Hey, it seems that some people forget the handy things.
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Old 12-27-2010, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Obama cannot win with only the liberal vote.

He only won because he was able to fool the indys and millions of reps to vote for him.

He has lost the indys and surely wont be getting the millions of reps votes after the disaster he has been.

Why on earth would ANYONE vote for someone who has been an utter failure in all aspects of the job?

Romney nor Palin will be the candidate, they might play roles but I do not think they will be the candidates.

Romney might be in the hunt for VP but I do not think Palin will be the nominee.

Reps have a ton of rising superstars in the making. Someone said the reps do not have anyone to beat Obama. Wrong! Keep thinking that please.

Reps have many who could defeat Obama, its a matter of which one and who the VP is going to be.

20% of liberals cannot re elect Obama on their own. Obama has to have ALL of the indys and millions of reps. Not going to happen unless some kind of miracle happens.

Calling Acorn!!!!!
I may live long enough to see you eat these words. If the Republicans had an Obama beater in 2012 they had him/her in 2008. Do I need to go on or do you get it?

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Old 12-27-2010, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I may live long enough to see you eat these words. If the Republicans had an Obama beater in 2012 they had him/her in 2008. Do I need to go on or do you get it?

H
absoltely not true. There are many young and upcoming Republicans that eithere were not there 3 or 4 years ago (yes, it take a year or so to develop into a true candidate) and no one gave Obama credit for being as shrude as he obviously is.

Will he win in 2012? He might, I do think he has made some progress in the past few weeks, but let's see how he handles the upcoming issues.

Nita
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Old 12-29-2010, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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There's no indication that he's willing to do what it takes to really give the economy a shot in the arm, whcih is to stop trying to regulate everything and raise taxes to pay for ObamaCare, which will destroy millions of jobs in the process.

Focusing on the 92% of us who are not union members would be a great place to start, but he doesn't have the guts to do that.

Furthermore, picking fights with the media is guaranteed to get him tagged (if he isn't already) as a whining crybaby, and ensure his demise in 2012.

Rest assured that the millions of taxpayers who won't be getting their tax refund checks on time as a result of him dragging his feet for 20+ months on whether to extends the Bush tax cuts (what the hell was there to think about????) will not forget about his incompetence regarding that issue come Election day in 2012.

'Cash for clunkers', ObamaCare, the $787 billion dollar stimulus program, the HAMP program, and all of the other big government boondoggles that he's foisted on us are all unmitigated disasters, and he and his party will have to absorb 100 percent of the blame for all of those boneheaded moves which reeked of incompetence and stupidity.

For someone who went to Harvard, he's awfully stupid, and obviously flunked basic economics.
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:34 AM
 
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There's no indication that he's willing to do what it takes to really give the economy a shot in the arm, whcih is to stop trying to regulate everything and raise taxes to pay for ObamaCare, which will destroy millions of jobs in the process.

Focusing on the 92% of us who are not union members would be a great place to start, but he doesn't have the guts to do that.

Furthermore, picking fights with the media is guaranteed to get him tagged (if he isn't already) as a whining crybaby, and ensure his demise in 2012.

Rest assured that the millions of taxpayers who won't be getting their tax refund checks on time as a result of him dragging his feet for 20+ months on whether to extends the Bush tax cuts (what the hell was there to think about????) will not forget about his incompetence regarding that issue come Election day in 2012.

'Cash for clunkers', ObamaCare, the $787 billion dollar stimulus program, the HAMP program, and all of the other big government boondoggles that he's foisted on us are all unmitigated disasters, and he and his party will have to absorb 100 percent of the blame for all of those boneheaded moves which reeked of incompetence and stupidity.

For someone who went to Harvard, he's awfully stupid, and obviously flunked basic economics.
You guys said the same stuff about Clinton. How'd that work out?
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