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My husband got his backpay for tier 3. He was only able to get paid for 8 weeks and his tier 3 is now exhausted. He won't get anymore bennifits till tier 4. Has anyone heard when it takes effect,also how do u know how many weeks u can actually draw on tier 4. We thought tier 3 was 13 weeks, but he got 8 weeks and no more.
Tier 4 programming is not yet complete, and there is no word (as of today) on when it will be complete.
Tier 3 is UP TO...UP TO...UP TO 13 weeks. It's calculated just like Tier 2 - 50% of your original claim duration. Tier 2 was 50% of your original claim duration UP TO 13 weeks. So if someone's original regular UI claim set for the maximum 26 weeks, then their Tier 2 would have been the full 13 weeks (50% of the original claim duration). But not everyone's claim sets for the maximum. Regular UI pays anywhere from a minimum of 13 weeks to a maximum of 26 weeks. So if your regular UI claim set for 16 weeks, then your Tier 2 (and Tier 3 which is virtually an extension of Tier 2) would be 8 weeks...50% of your original claim duration. Whenever you hear a number of weeks regarding UI, it's always UP TO.
Tier 4 is UP TO 6 additional weeks, again 50% of your original claim duration.
Problem is, by the time they get the Tier 4 done, if they do it the same way and pay the back weeks, there are some people who will exhaust it right away because of the backdated weeks and they will be out of benefits the same day they get the Tier 4 (as some people are now, with the backdating of Tier 3).
Also, make sure his Tier 3 is truly exhausted. The person you spoke with may have keyed the back weeks, but there may be more weeks that you have to certify yourself each week. Or maybe not, just throwing that out there so that you know that ESC doesn't automatically file ALL weeks of Tier 3 for you - just the back weeks to bring the claim up to date...in some instances. In some instances, I've seen people say that they had several back weeks keyed, which leads me to believe they were just getting it up to the point that the claimant can certify the remaining weeks themselves.
I hate posting back to back like this, but I just got a Wage/Monetary Determination sheet from NCESC. Now I'm confused. I think I was approved for a new benefit year.
It says I had wages in Q408 and Q109 totaling $11,313. It then states that I now have 13 weeks of benefits at the same weekly amount as previous. Soooooo...I guess I am no longer in the middle of Tier II and I'm back on regular unemployment for 13 weeks? But more importantly, these 13 weeks would wrap up in mid-April (in Q210), therefore, I guess I don't qualify for any EUB after that since I thought I needed income in two of the previous 5 quarters (Q109/Q209/Q309/Q409/Q110) in order to shift to Tier I. Would there be anything I can do after these 13 weeks or will I have completely exhausted my benefits?
You're right...from your message from 3:39pm today, I could tell your new benefit year resulted in a new, regular UI claim because you indicated you had wages in TWO of the four quarters of the base period (4Q2008 and 1Q2009), and those wages equaled at least $4,550. Yes, you're back in regular UI. Regular UI is a minimum of 13 weeks, max of 26, so you got the minimum. Duration is calculated by adding all quarters in the base period, dividing by the high quarter, then multiplying that sum by 8.66. The result is the number of weeks of regular UI your claim will set for. If the number is below 13, you get the minimum.
You qualify for extensions by meeting the 1.5x rule, which is, the total base period wages must be equal to or greater than 1.5x the high quarter in the base period. Simple example is: High Quarter in the base period = $10,000 - therefore, the total base period wages must be equal to or greater than $15,000 in order to qualify for extensions. If you don't meet the 1.5x rule, you simply don't qualify for any new extensions in the new benefit year, no exceptions.
The only thing that MAY happen is that if you don't qualify for extensions in your new benefit year, they MAY "pull forward" unused EUC (not EB) from your previous benefit year for you to draw when your regular UI is exhausted. But that isn't happening across the board yet, from what I've heard they may be working on programming to get that to happen (the Tier 3 and Tier 4 programming may have superseded this other programming). Our Regional Claims Specialist indicated that maybe by the end of January we'd know more.
jdljr, thanks again for continuing to update us. I have to say that I am a little worried that you say "they MAY pull forward unused EUC from a previous benefit year." Earlier when I asked the same question you felt that they WOULD pull it forward. Has something changed? What would keep them from pulling it forward?
Second question: If they do pull it forward, then which year (1st year with 26 weeks or 2nd year with 13 weeks) is used in the 50% calculation?
Here are the specifics of my situation: In my 1st benefit year I had 26 weeks and qualified for the extensions. I had 8 weeks of Tier 2 left when my benefit year ended. I restarted a new benefit year 10/25/09. I had enough wages to qualify for new benefits at 13 weeks. I do not meet the 1.5X factor for extensions in the 2nd benefit year (my high quarter is $27418 and total base is $33545).
You're right...from your message from 3:39pm today, I could tell your new benefit year resulted in a new, regular UI claim because you indicated you had wages in TWO of the four quarters of the base period (4Q2008 and 1Q2009), and those wages equaled at least $4,550. Yes, you're back in regular UI. Regular UI is a minimum of 13 weeks, max of 26, so you got the minimum. Duration is calculated by adding all quarters in the base period, dividing by the high quarter, then multiplying that sum by 8.66. The result is the number of weeks of regular UI your claim will set for. If the number is below 13, you get the minimum.
You qualify for extensions by meeting the 1.5x rule, which is, the total base period wages must be equal to or greater than 1.5x the high quarter in the base period. Simple example is: High Quarter in the base period = $10,000 - therefore, the total base period wages must be equal to or greater than $15,000 in order to qualify for extensions. If you don't meet the 1.5x rule, you simply don't qualify for any new extensions in the new benefit year, no exceptions.
The only thing that MAY happen is that if you don't qualify for extensions in your new benefit year, they MAY "pull forward" unused EUC (not EB) from your previous benefit year for you to draw when your regular UI is exhausted. But that isn't happening across the board yet, from what I've heard they may be working on programming to get that to happen (the Tier 3 and Tier 4 programming may have superseded this other programming). Our Regional Claims Specialist indicated that maybe by the end of January we'd know more.
Awesome, thanks a million for your expertise.
It doesn't appear as if I'll qualify for Tier I EUC when my 13 weeks are up in April because the base period will then be Q109/Q209/Q309/Q409/Q110, and I've only earned a little over $2,000 in Q109 and that's it. So, hopefully I'll be able to pull forward my remaining Tier II, III, and IV if I need it (hopefully I won't!) in April. I'll stay tuned for any news on that.
I just can't understand why, had I not been approved for a new regular claim, I could be eligible to draw my remaining Tier II, III, IV and possibly EB. But since I did make enough in those two quarters and get a new regular claim, I might get cut off in 13 weeks. I dunno...maybe I'm missing something...it doesn't sound right.
jdljr, thanks again for continuing to update us. I have to say that I am a little worried that you say "they MAY pull forward unused EUC from a previous benefit year." Earlier when I asked the same question you felt that they WOULD pull it forward. Has something changed? What would keep them from pulling it forward?
Second question: If they do pull it forward, then which year (1st year with 26 weeks or 2nd year with 13 weeks) is used in the 50% calculation?
Here are the specifics of my situation: In my 1st benefit year I had 26 weeks and qualified for the extensions. I had 8 weeks of Tier 2 left when my benefit year ended. I restarted a new benefit year 10/25/09. I had enough wages to qualify for new benefits at 13 weeks. I do not meet the 1.5X factor for extensions in the 2nd benefit year (my high quarter is $27418 and total base is $33545).
No, nothing's really changed. Just tryin to protect myself from "well that guy on the internet said that I would get my benefits pulled forward..." I know I'm faceless, but I still like to try and give valid, useful, correct information. And sometimes it's hard when we haven't been given such information ourselves! The thought is that they're working on such programming to pull the EUC forward for those that don't qualify for extensions in their new benefit year and that we'll have more information by the end of the month.
If they do pull it forward the remaining dollars of EUC, I'd think it'd be based on your prior benefit year. Since you wouldn't qualify for extensions in your new benefit year, they'd be pulling forward the elements of the previous benefit year. I don't know this for sure though.
It doesn't appear as if I'll qualify for Tier I EUC when my 13 weeks are up in April because the base period will then be Q109/Q209/Q309/Q409/Q110, and I've only earned a little over $2,000 in Q109 and that's it. So, hopefully I'll be able to pull forward my remaining Tier II, III, and IV if I need it (hopefully I won't!) in April. I'll stay tuned for any news on that.
I just can't understand why, had I not been approved for a new regular claim, I could be eligible to draw my remaining Tier II, III, IV and possibly EB. But since I did make enough in those two quarters and get a new regular claim, I might get cut off in 13 weeks. I dunno...maybe I'm missing something...it doesn't sound right.
You use the CURRENT base period (base period used to establish your claim) to calculate extension eligibility, not the base period in effect at the time you get to the point of the extension. Once your benefit year is established, everything is based off of the base period used to establish the claim. So no, you won't qualify for NEW extensions anyway, as the base period shows that you don't meet the 1.5x rule. There are a fair number of people who have enough wages in the base period to qualify for a 2nd benefit year, but those wages aren't enough to qualify for new extensions. Not uncommon. Now, you MAY be able to get the unused extension money from your old benefit year pulled forward when your regular UI runs out.
If you hadn't qualified for a new, regular UI claim, they would have brought forward your unused extension money from your previous benefit year for you to draw out. That's just what the system does.
I know tier 3 is up to 13 weeks, but my husbands original claim was 26 weeks. My husband lost his job after 18 yrs to a factory closing. I guess everyone will be back in the same boat in a month or two. We're glad for what he got, but he would rather have a steady job. He talked to someone reliable at the office and all that showed up in his account was 8 weeks worth. We caught up bills just to get back behind. At the local office they said the job situation is bad. No jobs coming in at all.
How many weeks is N.C. eligible for on EB benefits??
EB is 80% of your original duration, the same as Tier 1 EUC. So if you received the maximum 26 weeks of regular UI, your EB amount would be 20 weeks. The amount of EB goes down in relation to the amount of regular UI someone received.
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