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Old 07-19-2012, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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But something I've noticed about all of the Batman films, even going back to Tim Burton: The villains are always the most interesting thing in the movie. Batman himself is kind of bland. Even Nolan hasn't managed to escape this. And I'm not sure why this is, since in the comics, Batman is always just as interesting if not moreso than his enemies.

Honestly, I think it is better than the villians are more interesting. Do you really want Batman with some kind of crazy personality that makes him interesting? He doesnt have super powers or anything, he is just a dude with money and a lot of pain and anger.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:59 PM
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Honestly, I think it is better than the villians are more interesting. Do you really want Batman with some kind of crazy personality that makes him interesting? He doesnt have super powers or anything, he is just a dude with money and a lot of pain and anger.
And mad fighting skills...
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:36 PM
 
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Do you really want Batman with some kind of crazy personality that makes him interesting?
Yes, please!

Frank Miller did it. Dennis O'Neill did it. Bruce Timm and Paul Dini did it. I don't understand why the live action filmmakers can't seem to do it.
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:44 PM
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Yes, please!

Frank Miller did it. Dennis O'Neill did it. Bruce Timm and Paul Dini did it. I don't understand why the live action filmmakers can't seem to do it.
Frank Miller got some things WRONG about Batman's entire character. (i.e., use of guns)
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:05 AM
 
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Frank Miller got some things WRONG about Batman's entire character. (i.e., use of guns)
You mean in THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS? Yeah, I agree. That particular aspect was a flub, although the rest of the story was brilliant. THE DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN was horrid from beginning to end. But Miller's Batman: Year One is probably the greatest comic ever written and is THE definitive Batman.

My continuing complaint with all the live action movies (from Burton on down to Nolan) is that they tend to do a decent job with the Bruce Wayne/Batman origin story, and then they kind of don't know what to do with him. It's like he's just there to punch bad guys.

Even the just average to so-so Batman comics do a much better job developing the character than any of the movies have done.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:47 AM
 
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I am still forming an opinion but before I type out my full opinion I will say that anyone worried about Anne Hathaway as Catwomen should not be, she stole the show IMO. I wish she wouldnt have disappeared for long periods.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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Review: 'Dark Knight Rises' disappointingly clunky, bombastic - CNN.com
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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Okay...this movie sucked. I would rate it a little bit better than Red Tails. On second thought, I'd rate it about the same as Red Tails because I was at least able to stay awake to watch Red Tails in its entirety. Oh how does this movie suck, let me count the ways:

1. "Cornyness." There were so many parts of this movie that were so terrible that I couldn't contain my laughter. I won't get into the specifics and ruin it for people who still want to see it, but let's just say one of the characters in the movie does the classic "You're too late, you'll never stop it" lines and then dies milliseconds after their last utterance. And the way it happened caused the whole theater to erupt in laughter. There were scenes like this that made you think this was a sequel to Arnold Schwarzeneggger's "Last Action Hero."

2. Terrible storyline development. Too many things are inadequately explained.

3. Boring. This movie is too long and has too many scenes that just lull you to sleep.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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It definitely wasnt terrible or even close to it. It was at least as good as Dark Knight, if not better. The theater I was in was completely and utterly silent during the whole thing, I dont recall that ever happening before.

How can you talk about the movie being underdeveloped and then say it was too long. You do realize that is a contridiction, right? I too thought some things were underdeveloped and thought the movie could have easily been 30-45 minutes longer. I couldnt believe nearly 3 hours had passed when it was over. It felt like an hour.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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How can you talk about the movie being underdeveloped and then say it was too long. You do realize that is a contridiction, right?
No, it's not a contradiction. In what world does "long" equal "adequately developed?" That's like saying that an idea or a theme is fully developed in a 1,000 page book simply because it's "long." Animal Farm is probably only 100 pages or so and it makes a very succinct and emphatic point. Then you have other books that are several times longer that are disorganized and disjointed (i.e., Stephen Carter's "The Emperor of Ocean Park").

The Dark Knight Rises falls into the latter category. It's one of those movies that will be greatly beloved by the Captain Obviouses of the world. It was ridiculously predictable. There were too many speeches, too many monologues. It actually reminded me of Red Tails in that respect. The dialogue was unremarkable. There are relationships that are not fully understood. And the movie draggggggggggged.

Of the three movies in this series, the Dark Knight was easily the best. It's not even close actually.

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The last scene where the the girl is twisting a 3-inch blade through the Batsuit is nothing short of hilarious. It was so predictable. And then her death at the end was just beyond ridiculous.
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