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It's clear you have some vested interest in this as all you do is come here and make up stuff and act as their personal cheerleader.
NOBODY can say they nailed it yet when they have virtually zero real world miles on any of these vehicles. Time will tell....
The long term durability of that powertrain is a major concern for those of us in the industry. The numbers don't lie. Doesn't matter what some journalist says after an hour's test drive. They simply have a weak motor that needs to be rev'd high to get peak torque and that is not ideal.
The long term durability of that powertrain is a major concern for those of us in the industry. The numbers don't lie. Doesn't matter what some journalist says after an hour's test drive. They simply have a weak motor that needs to be rev'd high to get peak torque and that is not ideal.
I agree it annoying to have to rev to the sky for power, but good gearing typically solves that issue as well. Pretty sure the Explorer wont have to be revved as hard vs the Kia, but I think the main thing that will separate the 2 are typically in Fords you have to go to the up-level model to rally get what you want and the Kia and Hyundai will beat it out in the lower 35K models which is what most will end up buying.
I couldnt ever see myself paying $55k for a Ford Explorer or even a loaded Traverse, but I guess thats the insanity of modern car prices.
I agree it annoying to have to rev to the sky for power, but good gearing typically solves that issue as well. Pretty sure the Explorer wont have to be revved as hard vs the Kia, but I think the main thing that will separate the 2 are typically in Fords you have to go to the up-level model to rally get what you want and the Kia and Hyundai will beat it out in the lower 35K models which is what most will end up buying.
I couldnt ever see myself paying $55k for a Ford Explorer or even a loaded Traverse, but I guess thats the insanity of modern car prices.
You can use the axle ratio to fix the startability problem, but that means you end up with higher RPMs at cruise speed which negatively impacts fuel mileage. (Not to mention additional engine noise into the cabin.).
If you make an underpowered powertrain there is simply no fix for that unless you take shortcuts somewhere.
As far as Explorer vs Kia, those HP/Torque numbers I used were for the base models. The Explorer offers multiple engine options so the performance gap gets even bigger when you start using the higher end trims.
I don’t care about reviews, I care about actual sales and so far these vehicles have underperformed. (Especially when you factor in the cannibalization of their existing products.)
I like how people try to talk specifics and nuts & bolts with you, and all you can do is respond with some random news article.
I don’t care about reviews, I care about actual sales and so far these vehicles have underperformed. (Especially when you factor in the cannibalization of their existing products.)
I like how people try to talk specifics and nuts & bolts with you, and all you can do is respond with some random news article.
Are you afraid that the Kia is killing Explorer sales? You should be because it is
Are you afraid that the Kia is killing Explorer sales? You should be because it is
Not really, the new Explorer is not even at full production yet. They just started building them.
Why would we be celebrating some Korean company, anyway? They don’t let American companies (or Japanese or German companies for that matter) sell products in their country and I don’t know why we’d open our doors for them.
The concept from 2016 looks even better than the actual, but I am not familiar with the model to know if this was ever offered:
Though it does look like other makes.
Both the Hyundai Palisade and Kia Telluride have problems with a vibration when driven between 65-75 mph. The vibration is there only on the AWD models and even so not on every vehicle.
Repair attempts include replacing the drive shaft and the transfer case and sometimes help sometimes not. If anyone is looking to purchase one, like myself, it would be good to wait a year until a permanent fix is in. I'm sure they will update all once they know what is the cause, but I'd rather don't deal with the hassle, especially since we don't need a new car yet.
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