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We haven't successfully cloned any human. Maybe that's for ethical reasons, but I'm skeptical that's the full explanation. I don't think the Chinese, Japanese, Singaporeans, or some European nations have the same ethical concerns on human cloning. They haven't done it either.
I guess you sincerely don't see a difference between some theoretical something that could happen and real beings. Okay. Also I may have meant obtuse rather than obstinate in the above.
We can do it to animals, so we can do it to humans.
Scientists have created mice pups from two female mice. No male mice or sperm were involved. The offspring were all female.
Scientists have created mice pups from two female mice. No male mice or sperm were involved. The offspring were all female. How did this happen and will humans soon have the option to create babies without men?
Also, there is more important pertinent information which sheds negative reality on what you predjucially cited.
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The procedure used by the Japanese scientists is currently unreliable, as it took 460 tries to conceive one mouse. It has not proven safe, or even possible for humans to reproduce through parthenogenesis.
From what I've read on the subject and some of the controversy involving one doctor in the United states recently is that though he claims to have invented female sperm, most all of his animal experiments were badly and horribly deformed, but still he insists he can do it. For me, this Dude has serious ethical issues and no concern for life period, other than his notoriety and career. I'll try and look up his name and post later, but i saw it in the news just about a month ago.
It is more beneficial for all of us if you cited the article from 'LesbianLife' you copied this from.Parthenogenesis - Can Two Women make a Baby with No Sperm Also, there is more important pertinent information which sheds negative reality on what you predjucially cited. From what I've read on the subject and some of the controversy involving one doctor in the United states recently is that though he claims to have invented female sperm, most all of his animal experiments were badly and horribly deformed, but still he insists he can do it. For me, this Dude has serious ethical issues and no concern for life period, other than his notoriety and career. I'll try and look up his name and post later, but i saw it in the news just about a month ago.
Suppose you are in some hypothetical situation where you have a choice of taking heroic action. You can prevent a woman 2-months pregnant from having a miscarriage, or you can save the life of a ten-year old child screaming in terror..
Congratulations. You have just placed one human life above another. I suspect your decision was not a difficult one.
Suppose you are in some hypothetical situation where you have a choice of taking heroic action. You can prevent a woman 2-months pregnant from having a miscarriage, or you can save the life of a ten-year old child.
Congratulations. You have just placed one human life above another.
I would agree, but what about 14 days after conception? 3? 1? Where to we draw the line?
I will choose that child over a hand full of cells any day.
For anyone who thinks having an abortion after 1 month is alright, take off the filter on google images and type in "fetus" or "abortion".
OK, I don't usually read the abortion threads, but some of these responses bug me. I will preface this by saying I'm pro-choice.
Why are some claiming abortion is murder, but it's ok in cases of rape and incest? Wouldn't that still be "murder" by ending an "innocent life" because the pregnant woman can't handle the psychological aspect of carrying this child? Is this a justifiable "murder"? Why not tell her the same as some of you would to an "irresponsible" potential parent? Put the child up for adoption.
On the incest front, whether by rape or concentual, many of these children are born genetically fine. Yes, the possibility of recessive genes being passed is greatly increased, but these children will not become deformed, retarded monsters.
I just don't understand how people pick and choose what constitutes murder. Either it is or it isn't.
I have argued exactly the same thing in countless lthreads, maybe even this one way back when.
In the case of rape, why tolerate the abortion of a fetus, for no other reason that the father was a rapist? That validates aborting any inconvenient fetus, subject only to the fluid and shifting definition of "inconvenient".
We can do it to animals, so we can do it to humans.
This is an extremely ignorant thing to say. I think any halfway decent biologist could tell you of many things we can do in mice that we can't do in people.
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OK, I don't usually read the abortion threads, but some of these responses bug me. I will preface this by saying I'm pro-choice.
Why are some claiming abortion is murder, but it's ok in cases of rape and incest? Wouldn't that still be "murder" by ending an "innocent life" because the pregnant woman can't handle the psychological aspect of carrying this child? Is this a justifiable "murder"? Why not tell her the same as some of you would to an "irresponsible" potential parent? Put the child up for adoption.
On the incest front, whether by rape or concentual, many of these children are born genetically fine. Yes, the possibility of recessive genes being passed is greatly increased, but these children will not become deformed, retarded monsters.
I just don't understand how people pick and choose what constitutes murder. Either it is or it isn't.
Political or other necessity. Abortion is still taking a human life even in cases of rape or incest. However banning in it that case is politically impossible in most societies. It also might have even greater chance of failing as women who are raped are likely more motivated to have abortions than most other women who desire them.
This is an extremely ignorant thing to say. I think any halfway decent biologist could tell you of many things we can do in mice that we can't do in people.
Is Abortion Murder? If Abortion Was Illegal...
If laws were legislated to prohibit abortion, some (women) will continue to have abortions and some people will perform abortions.
If these people are caught, would do you think the punishment should be for
- the woman who has the abortion
- the person(s) performing the abortion.
What charges should be brought against them? Murder?
Well...first off, it's not murder. Secondly, it's not illegal and I would be good money that it will never be illegal again. If it were, and someone I knew needed an abortion, I'd help them get to a country where it is legal.
Forcing women to have babies to satisfy some outdated, archaic standards of so-called biblical "morality" is stupid.
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If you are going to do a google search I would suggest this one.
