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Old 01-14-2010, 10:23 PM
 
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Is Abortion Murder? If Abortion Was Illegal...
If laws were legislated to prohibit abortion, some (women) will continue to have abortions and some people will perform abortions.
If these people are caught, would do you think the punishment should be for
- the woman who has the abortion
- the person(s) performing the abortion.
What charges should be brought against them? Murder?
Honestly this is regurgitated rhetoric.
Terminations aka Abortions were at one time "Illegal" and this did not really carry charges, why? Because there was always someone willing to perform them, there was always someone who felt deep down (WAY advanced for their time) that felt that this is a civil right, the RIGHT TO choose, the right to provide the CHILDREN whom are born the right:
1. To be born in a nurturing environment
2. The right to be wanted
3. The right to have all the chances in life
4. The right to be cognitively aware and have the chances all children have
5. The right to be born free of drug addictions
6. The right to NOT be prostituted
Yoiu know all the rights we oin this BOARD have,
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:06 PM
 
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lol, I have sex because I like it too, but guess what? I like lollipops too but I'm not going to sit around and eat and eat and eat lollipops because, well guess what! There are repercussions to that. Sure, there are women who do that, but I bet it's not at all the majority. How about instead of defending the minority, you ask the majority to be responsible for their actions. How about NOT have sex unless you are ready for what may happen because of that.

And guess what? That isn't an original idea. And to date: it hasn't had much of an effect, has it?
So, how about you stand in the middle of the street screaming to your little hearts content about how responsible people should be and see how far you get?


Hey, just about as far as it did for the last person. Incidentally, this is why states don't have the right to choose. It isn't a very bright idea. So, LOL with that lollypop.

Or better yet, start adopting. Start putting them through school.


That is what I thought.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village, MD
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And guess what? That isn't an original idea. And to date: it hasn't had much of an effect, has it?
So, how about you stand in the middle of the street screaming to your little hearts content about how responsible people should be and see how far you get?


Hey, just about as far as it did for the last person. Incidentally, this is why states don't have the right to choose. It isn't a very bright idea. So, LOL with that lollypop.

Or better yet, start adopting. Start putting them through school.


That is what I thought.
If we could afford to adopt, we probably would.
And I'd probably homeschool them too.

But that's besides the point.

Making abortions legal really did nothing to help women. Women deserve better than abortion.
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:43 PM
 
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I know this, but the question is that if a baby can live at any age of development, when does it become "late term"
It stays "late term" right where it is, a "term" indicating the average length of a full "term" pregnancy.

You're fishing in the dark, son, with no bait either.
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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If I had a baby early say, 25 weeks, and it was breathing and stable and I put it in the trash to die, it would be murder, if I did the same thing in a clinical setting it would be abortion. What's the difference? And why is one a personal choice and the other murder? (of course, depending on the state)

Now, I'm actually pro states making the decision for that state, not a federal ban.
Please site such cases and/or laws stating that you would be a "murderer" in such a case.
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:51 PM
 
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So what happens if a woman asks for an abortion when she's started labor? Is that murder or abortion?


And didn't she already make that decision when she chose to have sex?
Some estimates place the number of illegal abortions prior to 1973 at nearly the number we see today.

So, instead of trying your rather silly appeals to emotions to outlaw the practice, why don't you join the rational people and push for more targeted education.

With targeted education we can actually drive the numbers of abortions far BELOW even pre-1973 estimates.

And no, targeted "education" doesn;t include your twisting logic, graphic pictures, or screaming "murderer" at everyone. THAT is mere propeganda.
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village, MD
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Some estimates place the number of illegal abortions prior to 1973 at nearly the number we see today.

So, instead of trying your rather silly appeals to emotions to outlaw the practice, why don't you join the rational people and push for more targeted education.

With targeted education we can actually drive the numbers of abortions far BELOW even pre-1973 estimates.

And no, targeted "education" doesn;t include your twisting logic, graphic pictures, or screaming "murderer" at everyone. THAT is mere propeganda.

I'm sorry, with so much personal information you think you have about me we must have met somewhere... oh wait.... we've never met.. and you don't know anything whether or not I go around with graphic pictures or scream murderer at everyone. Thanks though for trying.


I disagree with abortion because I've been there. i didn't have an abortion, thank God.. but I've been put in the place of many of the women who have.. and I just can't justify it. Hardly anything justifies ending the life of a potential human or human..
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village, MD
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It stays "late term" right where it is, a "term" indicating the average length of a full "term" pregnancy.

You're fishing in the dark, son, with no bait either.

I'm a girl, thanks

Secondly, I meant the attitude around late term abortion.. many who are pro abortion are NOT pro abortion when it's past the state of viability.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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She didn't? Because I would gather most women who have sex know the outcome could possibly equal pregnancy. By saying that they didn't make the choice, is saying they don't know that simple fact that sex sometimes = pregnancy. Are you saying women aren't smart enough to realize that/
Contraceptives are measured by the percentage of possibility of preventing pregnancy.

None are lsited as 100%, each and every type has the potential to fail.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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I'm a girl, thanks

Secondly, I meant the attitude around late term abortion.. many who are pro abortion are NOT pro abortion when it's past the state of viability.
Firstly, that is an old proverb as old as dirt. I;'m not changing it, even if I knew you were a girl.

Second, do you agree with abortions in, for example, danger to the mother, incest and/or rape?
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