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You might want to compare notes with your buddy Poseidon3290. He was all upset the other day that seniors were being prioritized over younger people. Notice that Biden has said the same thing as DeSantis in that those that are 65+ should be prioritized over younger people.
Florida’s vaccine system is similar to other states. There is limited supply. That means limited locations for administering vaccines. Every state has jammed phone lines. Have you ever studied the concept of supply and demand?
This is where you do not understand my position. My beef is mainly with 65+ SNOWBIRDS and even more so with 65+ people FROM OUT OF THE COUNTRY being prioritized. Especially WHEN TEACHERS ARE TOLD TO GO BACK TO WORK BUT NO VACCINE FOR YOU!
It is crippling the system to not require a Florida ID to get vaccinated. These people should have STAYED HOME and not come here to ravage our VACCINE in FL that was BASED ON FULL TIME RESIDENT NUMBERS.
I work in logistics, dealing with numbers of massive things and my job is to figure out how to do it more efficiently. I'm done arguing, if you can't see the problem with the way that it's being rolled out here, there is no reason to keep wasting time trying to explain it.
Are you arguing that DeSantis should be praised for opening vaccinations to 65-year-olds, when among the 600,000 Floridians age 85+, and at much greater risk if infected by the COVID-19 virus, only 80,000 have received the first dose?
Baseless??? Do deny the AARP said that DeSantis has imposed "the Hunger Games" on Florida's seniors? Do you think that DeSantis should be praised for drawing such a sharp rebuke from the nation's top organization representing seniors???
Members of the DeSantis Worship Cult so casually, even eagerly, slime themselves with their unrelenting dismissals of evidence of DeSantis' incompetence.
Are you arguing that DeSantis should be praised for opening vaccinations to 65-year-olds, when among the 600,000 Floridians age 85+, and at much greater risk if infected by the COVID-19 virus, only 80,000 have received the first dose?
Baseless??? Do deny the AARP said that DeSantis has imposed "the Hunger Games" on Florida's seniors? Do you think that DeSantis should be praised for drawing such a sharp rebuke from the nation's top organization representing seniors???
Members of the DeSantis Worship Cult so casually, even eagerly, slime themselves with their unrelenting dismissals of evidence of DeSantis' incompetence.
Gee - DeSantis is only doing what Biden said he would do once inaugurated. DeSantis is just doing it sooner. He's not waiting for the inauguration. Is the Governor wrong to implement Biden's plan?
"The incoming administration of Democratic President-elect Joe Biden will seek to vaccinate all people over 65 "
You might want to compare notes with your buddy Poseidon3290. He was all upset the other day that seniors were being prioritized over younger people. Notice that Biden has said the same thing as DeSantis in that those that are 65+ should be prioritized over younger people.
WRONG!
<<A fact sheet provided by his transition team says Biden's plan "encourages states to open up eligibility beyond healthcare workers and long-term care facility residents and staff, to include frontline essential workers like teachers, first responders, grocery store employees, and anyone who is 65 and older.">>
Florida’s vaccine system is similar to other states. There is limited supply. That means limited locations for administering vaccines. Every state has jammed phone lines. Have you ever studied the concept of supply and demand?
WRONG!
Florida's vaccine system is not similar to most states, and the AARP probably has NOT accused any other state of subjecting its seniors to "the Hunger Games."
Did you even read this linked post???
<<<<Weeks after DeSantis signed an executive order, Florida is still one of a handful of states that allow anyone 65 and up to get the vaccine. Snowbirds are welcome — residency is not required. Anyone in this age group can get vaccinated in any of the state's 67 counties.
But with nearly 4.5 million residents age 65-plus, many older Floridians find themselves constantly trolling websites of nearby counties for vaccine availability. Then they call, often using multiple phones. It sounds like the Hunger Games for seniors.>>
BTW, I've taken several university level economic classes, and still reference my copy of Samuelson's "Economics" frequently. Neither Samuelson nor any of his students would have had any problem logically rationing dose availability to avoid jammed phone lines or internet servers.
E.g., Ohio limits vaccine availability by age cohort. The Cleveland Clinic in northeast Ohio only allows those seniors eligible immediately for the vaccine to register for a vaccine appointment. In Florida, with all age cohorts treated equally, the Cleveland Clinic doesn't have that option.
Note that all individual vaccinations are by appointment only, and Ohio has established over 750 locations to facilitate ease of obtaining a vaccination. I have more than 15 vaccination locations within 15 miles of my residence.
This is where you do not understand my position. My beef is mainly with 65+ SNOWBIRDS and even more so with 65+ people FROM OUT OF THE COUNTRY being prioritized. Especially WHEN TEACHERS ARE TOLD TO GO BACK TO WORK BUT NO VACCINE FOR YOU!
It is crippling the system to not require a Florida ID to get vaccinated. These people should have STAYED HOME and not come here to ravage our VACCINE in FL that was BASED ON FULL TIME RESIDENT NUMBERS.
I work in logistics, dealing with numbers of massive things and my job is to figure out how to do it more efficiently. I'm done arguing, if you can't see the problem with the way that it's being rolled out here, there is no reason to keep wasting time trying to explain it.
Read your previous posts. You were comparing younger versus older. Secondly, you are saying the life of a part time resident is less valuable than a full time resident and you avoided my previous question. Would you have the part time resident leave the state for other critical healthcare needs, such as treatment for a stroke? What healthcare services should they get and what services should be blocked?
Read your previous posts. You were comparing younger versus older. Secondly, you are saying the life of a part time resident is less valuable than a full time resident and you avoided my previous question. Would you have the part time resident leave the state for other critical healthcare needs, such as treatment for a stroke? What healthcare services should they get and what services should be blocked?
A stroke is not the same as going on vacation during a global pandemic and then using the states resources that should be used on it's residents before people on vacation.
<<A fact sheet provided by his transition team says Biden's plan "encourages states to open up eligibility beyond healthcare workers and long-term care facility residents and staff, to include frontline essential workers like teachers, first responders, grocery store employees, and anyone who is 65 and older.">>
Florida's vaccine system is not similar to most states, and the AARP probably has NOT accused any other state of subjecting its seniors to "the Hunger Games."
Did you even read this linked post???
<<<<Weeks after DeSantis signed an executive order, Florida is still one of a handful of states that allow anyone 65 and up to get the vaccine. Snowbirds are welcome — residency is not required. Anyone in this age group can get vaccinated in any of the state's 67 counties.
But with nearly 4.5 million residents age 65-plus, many older Floridians find themselves constantly trolling websites of nearby counties for vaccine availability. Then they call, often using multiple phones. It sounds like the Hunger Games for seniors.>>
BTW, I've taken several university level economic classes, and still reference my copy of Samuelson's "Economics" frequently. Neither Samuelson nor any of his students would have had any problem logically rationing dose availability to avoid jammed phone lines or internet servers.
E.g., Ohio limits vaccine availability by age cohort. The Cleveland Clinic in northeast Ohio only allows those seniors eligible immediately for the vaccine to register for a vaccine appointment. In Florida, with all age cohorts treated equally, the Cleveland Clinic doesn't have that option.
Note that all individual vaccinations are by appointment only, and Ohio has established over 750 locations to facilitate ease of obtaining a vaccination. I have more than 15 vaccination locations within 15 miles of my residence.
I guess you've heard the term "supply and demand" somewhere, but never really understood the power of the concept.
Again, you are wrong. Other states are doing the same thing and have the same issues. Supply is limited. You think Ohio is better? Why is Ohio currently behind Florida in vaccines administered? Why aren’t you bashing your own Governor?
By the way, you don’t understand supply and demand. Limited supply is causing the jammed phone lines. Limited supply means people have limited places to call and limited amount of vaccines. Thus the jammed phone lines. If supply was available at locations that administer routine vaccinations and supply was unlimited, we would have jammed phone lines. Seriously, I cannot believe you cannot understand a simple concept like that.
A stroke is not the same as going on vacation during a global pandemic and then using the states resources that should be used on it's residents before people on vacation.
People are not on vacation when they are a seasonal resident. They are seeking a vaccine just like any other critical health need. Hospital beds are limited in many areas. Should seasonal people be banned from the hospitals?
By the way, we are still waiting for your link showing that people are right now standing in line in the freezing cold in Florida.
Gee - DeSantis is only doing what Biden said he would do once inaugurated. DeSantis is just doing it sooner. He's not waiting for the inauguration. Is the Governor wrong to implement Biden's plan?
"The incoming administration of Democratic President-elect Joe Biden will seek to vaccinate all people over 65 "
Nothing in that article said that Biden would open vaccinations to all persons age 65+ all at once.
If Biden were to propose such a tactic, it would be literally DeSantis-like dumb. However, I'm not yet certain that the Biden administration won't repeat many of the Trump's administrations mistakes in fighting the COVID-19 epidemic. In several posts in this forum, I've explained that the nations that have successfully suppressed the virus ban international flights and/or have mandatory, enforced quarantines for ALL persons entering the country. Robust, mandatory contact tracing and enforced quarantines deal with any outbreak of the virus. Unlike Trump and DeSantis, Biden will enforce mandatory mask wearing in all federal locations and in interstate travel. Unfortunately, Biden will have to deal with the anti-mask, anti-social distancing, anti-public health enforcement attitudes that Trump and his enablers, such as DeSantis, have created.
You truncated the article, which said the following:
<<The incoming administration of Democratic President-elect Joe Biden will seek to vaccinate all people over 65 and frontline workers, as Biden seeks to administer 100 million COVID-19 vaccines during his first 100 days in office.>>
The article explained which persons Biden wanted to see vaccinated in his first 100 days in office. It established no priorities, but, unlike DeSantis, Biden wants to see frontline workers in some way prioritized.
<<A fact sheet provided by his transition team says Biden's plan "encourages states to open up eligibility beyond healthcare workers and long-term care facility residents and staff, to include frontline essential workers like teachers, first responders, grocery store employees, and anyone who is 65 and older.">>
Florida's vaccine system is not similar to most states, and the AARP probably has NOT accused any other state of subjecting its seniors to "the Hunger Games."
Did you even read this linked post???
<<<<Weeks after DeSantis signed an executive order, Florida is still one of a handful of states that allow anyone 65 and up to get the vaccine. Snowbirds are welcome — residency is not required. Anyone in this age group can get vaccinated in any of the state's 67 counties.
But with nearly 4.5 million residents age 65-plus, many older Floridians find themselves constantly trolling websites of nearby counties for vaccine availability. Then they call, often using multiple phones. It sounds like the Hunger Games for seniors.>>
BTW, I've taken several university level economic classes, and still reference my copy of Samuelson's "Economics" frequently. Neither Samuelson nor any of his students would have had any problem logically rationing dose availability to avoid jammed phone lines or internet servers.
E.g., Ohio limits vaccine availability by age cohort. The Cleveland Clinic in northeast Ohio only allows those seniors eligible immediately for the vaccine to register for a vaccine appointment. In Florida, with all age cohorts treated equally, the Cleveland Clinic doesn't have that option.
Note that all individual vaccinations are by appointment only, and Ohio has established over 750 locations to facilitate ease of obtaining a vaccination. I have more than 15 vaccination locations within 15 miles of my residence.
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