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Old 03-17-2016, 11:48 PM
 
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~smile~ No matter how you try to spin it, Hillary voters, unlike Bernie voters, are long-registered loyal Democrats.
Yes, we all know Hillary is a weaker general election candidate who cant attract independent minded people like Bernie can.

 
Old 03-17-2016, 11:51 PM
 
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Yes, we all know Hillary is a weaker general election candidate who cant attract independent minded people like Bernie can.
Well democratic turnout for Bernie will be LOWER too since he got little votes from Dem
Which can cost the dems the election.
 
Old 03-17-2016, 11:55 PM
 
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The same was said about her home state Illinois where she was 30 points ahead in polls a week before the primary. That lead was basically erased completely.
As said before, those +30 polls in Illinois were conducted before the Michigan primary
Which are likely not accurate

The polls conducted after the Michigan primary are much better since pollsters won't want to risk having their reputation dampened. In fact the final Ohio polls overweighted young folks and independents and showed narrower margin for Hillary's lead than the actual results.
 
Old 03-17-2016, 11:57 PM
 
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West Virginia (Thirty-Ninth Street Strategies) : Clinton +13

Ouch! WV is back to hillarys column!
 
Old 03-17-2016, 11:57 PM
 
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Well democratic turnout for Bernie will be LOWER too since he got little votes from Dem
Which can cost the dems the election.
You think African Americans will stay home instead of voting for Bernie against Trump? Good one. They are as loyal Democrats as it gets. You are assuming these people vote for Hillary because they dislike Bernie. But many dont know he exists. That all changes in a presidential election. Polling proves this. Overwhelming numbers of Hillary supporters will support the Dem nominee in the general. NOT the case with Bernie supporters as many are not democrats.
 
Old 03-18-2016, 12:00 AM
 
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So far only 3 states ditched Hillary after she won them in 2008 : New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Michigan
I am sure West Virginians will not ditch Hillary like these 3 states!
 
Old 03-18-2016, 12:00 AM
 
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As said before, those +30 polls in Illinois were conducted before the Michigan primary
Which are likely not accurate
What does this mean? Why were they not accurate? He was +30 points behind in Illinois. Then won Michigan. Gap disappeared. What is not accurate? It shows how easy these polls can be closed when he campaigns in a state and gets his name out.
 
Old 03-18-2016, 12:02 AM
 
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You think African Americans will stay home instead of voting for Bernie against Trump? Good one. They are as loyal Democrats as it gets. You are assuming these people vote for Hillary because they dislike Bernie. But many dont know he exists. That all changes in a presidential election. Polling proves this. Overwhelming numbers of Hillary supporters will support the Dem nominee in the general. NOT the case with Bernie supporters as many are not democrats.
Trump will do a GREAT job attacking the BERN (Hillary was really soft to him in comparison) from all fronts by telling you how horrible socialism is.

Hillary is used to massive negative coverage and Trump attacking her will be less of an effect
 
Old 03-18-2016, 12:08 AM
 
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Trump will do a GREAT job attacking the BERN (Hillary was really soft to him in comparison) from all fronts by telling you how horrible socialism is.

Hillary is used to massive negative coverage and Trump attacking her will be less of an effect
lol, he is absolutely terrible at it. Bernie Sanders is called a socialist more often than he is called Bernie Sanders. And independents overwhelmingly support him. Americans SUPPORT social democracy, unlike what you seem to believe. Not only HUGE majorities of independents (and of course Democats) but also very large swaths of Republicans...Thats why Trump is actually doing as well as he is. People actually dont mind New Dealers like Sanders. Both Trump and Hillary are trying to hijack his message.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlE5vLaymB0
 
Old 03-18-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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lol, he is absolutely terrible at it. Bernie Sanders is called a socialist more often than he is called Bernie Sanders. And independents overwhelmingly support him. Americans SUPPORT social democracy, unlike what you seem to believe. Not only HUGE majorities of independents (and of course Democats) but also very large swaths of Republicans...Thats why Trump is actually doing as well as he is. People actually dont mind New Dealers like Sanders. Both Trump and Hillary are trying to hijack his message.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlE5vLaymB0
You're right. It's like with Obamacare. Vast majorities agree with it point by point, but if you ask them if they like Obamacare around half say no. When it comes to Sanders, just calling him a crazy socialist will be enough to beat him. People will never look deep enough and past the labeling to realize that they actually agree with him.
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