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Old 02-20-2016, 06:16 PM
 
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Well, I agree with the majority of that - it IS in their benefit to have a 'close race'. I will say the majority of the major networks have done nothing but criticize Hillary 24/7.
People who get news outside of the corporate media dont support her, while those who do get the news from the corporate media support her.

All the major networks are owned by half a dozen corporations, all heavily invested in the Clinton campaign. Some of the biggest contributors to her campaign are Time Warner and Comcast.

 
Old 02-20-2016, 06:34 PM
 
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People who get news outside of the corporate media dont support her, while those who do get the news from the corporate media support her.
You know this - how?
 
Old 02-20-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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You know this - how?
She won the 65+ vote 75%-25% in Nevada. Similarly she won the African American vote with the same margins. These two groups are her real firewall. Not other groups like hispanics, independents or other groups except the tiny super rich group.

The 65+ voters are the least likely to get news outside of corporate media, while young people get news from the internet and she is losing very badly among this group. The real cut-off seem to be people who have grown up with the internet and those who have not.
 
Old 02-20-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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She won the 65+ vote 75%-25% in Nevada. Similarly she won the African American vote with the same margins. These two groups are her real firewall. Not other groups like hispanics, independents or other groups except the tiny super rich group.

The 65+ voters are the least likely to get news outside of corporate media, while young people get news from the internet and she is losing very badly among this group. The real cut-off seem to be people who have grown up with the internet and those who have not.
Those same polls show she won the 45+ vote by 61-36.
That doesn't in any way prove your blanket statement
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People who get news outside of the corporate media dont support her, while those who do get the news from the corporate media support her.
There are huge numbers of people in that demographic who not only are internet-savvy but who have sufficient discernment and maturity to not be taken in by either tv talking heads or social-media shills.
 
Old 02-20-2016, 07:15 PM
 
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Those same polls show she won the 45+ vote by 61-36.
That doesn't in any way prove your blanket statement

There are huge numbers of people in that demographic who not only are internet-savvy but who have sufficient discernment and maturity to not be taken in by either tv talking heads or social-media shills.
She won the 17+ vote 52-47 in Nevada. Thats one way to spin it. We have to look behind these numbers. The only group she won in NH was the 75+ group. The reality is that people who statistically are the least likely to get news from the internet are the most likely to support Hillary. In Nevada, she probably had close to 100% support among 90+ year olds.
 
Old 02-20-2016, 07:17 PM
 
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The only group she won in NH was the 75+ group. The reality is that people who statistically are the least likely to get news from the internet are the most likely to support Hillary. In Nevada, she probably had close to 100% support among 90+ year olds.

Oh please. She won. Stop spinning it.
 
Old 02-20-2016, 07:22 PM
 
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Oh please. She won. Stop spinning it.
The core of her support is not the type of win that will make a good general election candidate. Democrats need young people, the enthusiasm vote, people who want trustworthy/honest people, the independent vote, the non-traditional voter, to counter the army of elderly people who vote Republican. She has very little cross-over appeal. She lost the rural white vote as well. She wont get many republicans to vote for her in the general either. She is a BAD general election candidate when she is getting crushed in all the categories Dems need to do well among in the general election.

And ironically this idea that she is a good candidate, thats why many people support her. We can spin it how we want but incredibly strong support among African Americans and the elderly is far from good enough.
 
Old 02-20-2016, 07:29 PM
 
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The core of her support is not the type of win that will make a good general election candidate. Democrats need young people, the enthusiasm vote, people who want trustworthy/honest people, the independent vote, the non-traditional voter, to counter the army of elderly people who vote Republican. She has very little cross-over appeal. She lost the rural white vote as well. She wont get many republicans to vote for her in the general either. She is a BAD general election candidate when she is getting crushed in all the categories Dems need to do well among in the general election.

And ironically this idea that she is a good candidate, thats why many people support her. We can spin it how we want but incredibly strong support among African Americans and the elderly is far from good enough.

That may be so, we shall see, but posting stuff like "Hillary leading among 90 year olds" is misleading and obnoxious. You can support whatever candidate you want without spinning.
 
Old 02-20-2016, 07:38 PM
 
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Yeah, Mike is one hell of a spinner...
 
Old 02-20-2016, 08:13 PM
 
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And ironically this idea that she is a good candidate, thats why many people support her. We can spin it how we want but incredibly strong support among African Americans and the elderly is far from good enough.
As if Bernie could win the nomination much less the general without the 45+ and the AA vote..
Cute, calling people 45+ "elderly".
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