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Old 02-23-2016, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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A couple of points. Raw numbers were never released for the caucus states that Clinton won as the Establishment works hard at the illusion that Clinton had any popularity at all.

Bernie is working from virtually zero visibility and familiarity and had every Established hack on TV and elsewhere pushing the Establishment message against him. It is absolutely miraculous that he is running this well at this stage of the primaries. It is prunable the biggest insurgency in over hundred years which is an indication of how angry the electorate is with the Establishment status quo. Much larger than the McCarthy insurgency against Johnson and Humphrey.

Does it matter whether it is Rubio or Clinton No difference. Literally none. They all work together for Wall Street.

 
Old 02-23-2016, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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A couple of points. Raw numbers were never released for the caucus states that Clinton won as the Establishment works hard at the illusion that Clinton had any popularity at all.

Bernie is working from virtually zero visibility and familiarity and had every Established hack on TV and elsewhere pushing the Establishment message against him. It is absolutely miraculous that he is running this well at this stage of the primaries. It is prunable the biggest insurgency in over hundred years which is an indication of how angry the electorate is with the Establishment status quo. Much larger than the McCarthy insurgency against Johnson and Humphrey.

Does it matter whether it is Rubio or Clinton No difference. Literally none. They all work together for Wall Street.
riiiight. Clinton and Rubio. Exactly the same on every single issue. Except pretty much every single issue. Clinton would try to overturn Citizens United, which as you recall, arose out of an attack ON HER. She'd be happy to see it go even if she's pragmatic to play by the same rules as Republicans while it exists. Rubio trying to overturn Citizens United? Not so much.

And then there are all the other issues that also matter.

Hillary Clinton vs Marco Rubio - Candidates Comparison
 
Old 02-23-2016, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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riiiight. Clinton and Rubio. Exactly the same on every single issue. Except pretty much every single issue. Clinton would try to overturn Citizens United, which as you recall, arose out of an attack ON HER. She'd be happy to see it go even if she's pragmatic to play by the same rules as Republicans while it exists. Rubio trying to overturn Citizens United? Not so much.

And then there are all the other issues that also matter.

Hillary Clinton vs Marco Rubio - Candidates Comparison
Sorry. I forgot there are actually still some people who believe what the Puppets say.

Read the Wall Street Journal if you want to know what Rubio and Clinton will be doing.
 
Old 02-23-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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i suppose there really isn't new news here. Americans think hillary clinton is a liar. In fact they seem to equate her name to being a liar. I don't think i remember any candidate running for president where the candidate's name was synonymous with liar.

this is the most common reaction americans have to hillary clinton | zero hedge
Hilliary!
 
Old 02-23-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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Hillary is an egregious, pathological & destructive liar, bar none.
 
Old 02-23-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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Hillary is an egregious, pathological & destructive liar, bar none.
"bar none"?
No, I think it is about a dead heat with a certain male person we all know of. Interestingly, he is of the same political party!
 
Old 02-23-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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Default Time will tell...

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My prediction is that the longer the race continues the more support he'll get as he's still not known many places, while Clinton has 99.9% national recognition.
I am a supporter of both, certainly either over Trump, but I can't agree the campaign trail is on Bernie's side. Clinton has a lot of strong support where they are headed, a lot of long-term associations and alliances that are strong, also money and the support of party stalwarts as well.

Hard as it is to imagine Trump actually winning the GOP spot (somehow not torpedoing himself before that can truly happen), I think it may just end up Trump v Hillary, and then if Hillary doesn't win, no doubt the snow flakes will start having a chance in Hell.
 
Old 02-23-2016, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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I am a supporter of both, certainly either over Trump, but I can't agree the campaign trail is on Bernie's side. Clinton has a lot of strong support where they are headed, a lot of long-term associations and alliances that are strong, also money and the support of party stalwarts as well.

Hard as it is to imagine Trump actually winning the GOP spot (somehow not torpedoing himself before that can truly happen), I think it may just end up Trump v Hillary, and then if Hillary doesn't win, no doubt the snow flakes will start having a chance in Hell.
re: the bolded

It certainly isn't from lack of trying. For a long time, I really, truly thought that Trump kept saying outrageous things because he never really wanted to be president and figured he'd disqualify himself and could bow out gracefully in the sense of saying it wasn't his fault, he just says it like it is, and too bad people can't handle that, etc. etc. I don't necessarily feel the same way anymore, although I still think that eventually, he just bought into his own BS and started taking things seriously. I really don't think he started out that way though.

But yeah, at least as of current numbers and polling data, all signs as of now point to Hillary vs Trump.
 
Old 02-23-2016, 11:47 AM
 
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Hilliary!

Haha. Never noticed that before.
 
Old 02-23-2016, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I am a supporter of both, certainly either over Trump, but I can't agree the campaign trail is on Bernie's side. Clinton has a lot of strong support where they are headed, a lot of long-term associations and alliances that are strong, also money and the support of party stalwarts as well.

Hard as it is to imagine Trump actually winning the GOP spot (somehow not torpedoing himself before that can truly happen), I think it may just end up Trump v Hillary, and then if Hillary doesn't win, no doubt the snow flakes will start having a chance in Hell.


I would say Hillary has an advantage at this point, but its still too early to say it is in the bag. Super Tuesday will be pretty big and while she seems to have an advantage in more states, polling in most of them has been sparse at best.


I think SC is probably going to be big for momentum into Super Tuesday. Clinton will obviously win, likely by something similar or slightly larger than Bernie's NH margin (low to mid 20's) but its the expectations game that will have an impact. If Clinton gets something close to 30% or so margin in S.C, she will have a ton of momentum heading into Super Tuesday. If Bernie can keep her under 60%, he likely gains a bit of momentum, especially if he keeps the margin to within 15 (it will also likely mean he is doing better than expected with African Americans). If it stays in the 20-25% range, not much will likely change.
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