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Old 05-15-2011, 04:39 PM
 
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Outside Guantanamo, can you give us a couple of examples?

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:47 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Anyone here got any sensible reasons why America should vote for the GOP next year?
They know their budget will never be passed or work so are there any other policies that the GOP have said they will impliment that will make trhem electable?
I don't want Obama bashing just real constructive reasons to vote GOP.
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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135 kept, 42 broken, 220 in the works.

Not a bad scorecard. Especially for two years.

The results show that Obama doesn't go on frequent vacations like W did.
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The GOP hasn't had a decent Presidential candidate since McCain in 1998, and they were too dumb to nominate him.
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:12 PM
 
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Anyone here got any sensible reasons why America should vote for the GOP next year?
They know their budget will never be passed or work so are there any other policies that the GOP have said they will impliment that will make trhem electable?
I don't want Obama bashing just real constructive reasons to vote GOP.
The CBO disagrees with you...

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/121xx/doc...yan_Letter.pdf

How did that go for obama....
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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135 kept, 42 broken, 220 in the works.

Not a bad scorecard. Especially for two years.

The results show that Obama doesn't go on frequent vacations like W did.

Yes, you are correct.......

However, what you have to think about is what those promises were and did the American people agree with them?

Their-in is the question....
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Yes, you are correct.......

However, what you have to think about is what those promises were and did the American people agree with them?

Their-in is the question....
The American people elected Obama, by a LARGE majority, to keep his promises.

I personally voted for him becase of the promise of UHC. I am pissed that he didn't keep the public option and ride roughshod over the republican obstructionists.

I am hopeful that in his second term he will rediscover his cojones and finish the job he was elected to do.
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:25 PM
 
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The American people elected Obama, by a LARGE majority, to keep his promises.

I personally voted for him becase of the promise of UHC. I am pissed that he didn't keep the public option and ride roughshod over the republican obstructionists.

I am hopeful that in his second term he will rediscover his cojones and finish the job he was elected to do.
I'm sorry you voted for him.....

Now tell me this, how many people that you know who did NOT vote for obama and they are now saying....oh hell yes I'm voting for him...

I can tell you MANY MANY people who DID vote for obama and they will NOT do it again....His hope and change he promised was not accurate..during the election year...
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:34 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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The American people elected Obama, by a LARGE majority, to keep his promises.

I personally voted for him because of the promise of UHC. I am pissed that he didn't keep the public option and ride roughshod over the republican obstructionists.

I am hopeful that in his second term he will rediscover his cojones and finish the job he was elected to do.
So many Americans agree with you. I remember during the election campaign how many were for a UHC in the United States. Obama still wants a UHC but, just like Clinton, once it was being formulated the Fear tactics started worrying many that a UHC was bad. The Govt would tell us what treatments we could or couldn't have. A UHC would bankrupt us. I sat in London with my wife and watched complete and utter falsehoods being spouted by Fox news about the UK UHC and how awful it was with "death panels" etc etc etc. I remember the American People starting to object to a UHC and indeed any real change in the Nations Health System.
Obama had to water his approach so that he could get some kind of reform. This current bill is NOT what is needed but is a start.
I am like you and wish Obama had stood up to the objections and gone ahead with his UHC. It is badly needed and would return every cent spent on it 10 fold.
Maybe if the supporters of a UHC had put their strong feelings forward as relentlessly as the right wing anti UHC brigade...America might now be well on the way to implementing the finest health care system in the World for ALL Americans.
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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So many Americans agree with you. I remember during the election campaign how many were for a UHC in the United States. Obama still wants a UHC but, just like Clinton, once it was being formulated the Fear tactics started worrying many that a UHC was bad. The Govt would tell us what treatments we could or couldn't have. A UHC would bankrupt us. I sat in London with my wife and watched complete and utter falsehoods being spouted by Fox news about the UK UHC and how awful it was with "death panels" etc etc etc. I remember the American People starting to object to a UHC and indeed any real change in the Nations Health System.
Obama had to water his approach so that he could get some kind of reform. This current bill is NOT what is needed but is a start.
I am like you and wish Obama had stood up to the objections and gone ahead with his UHC. It is badly needed and would return every cent spent on it 10 fold.
Maybe if the supporters of a UHC had put their strong feelings forward as relentlessly as the right wing anti UHC brigade...America might now be well on the way to implementing the finest health care system in the World for ALL Americans.
If we do not get UHC undiluted and complete, you will be witness to a two-class society consisting of the wealthy overlords and the economic (read: insurance) slaves.

If it occurs, a lot of people who would aspire to the wealthy class are going to be very unpleasantly surprised too late to do anything about it.
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