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Cleveland is one of those cities I always want to root for and see make a comeback. It has so much potential and I hope it never goes the way of Detroit. It's a shame to see once great cities being reduced to rubble and urban decay along the rust belt.
Because jobs left. That doesn't mean it's not a great place to live. You really think that a city's growth is the only way to determine a city's quality? Williston, North Dakota has a hugely growing population because of the oil boom, but I don't think many people would call it a great place.
Because jobs left. That doesn't mean it's not a great place to live. You really think that a city's growth is the only way to determine a city's quality? Williston, North Dakota has a hugely growing population because of the oil boom, but I don't think many people would call it a great place.
Usually a place where the jobs are drying up is not a great place to live. Not saying Cleveland is bad, but it definitely does not have a good reputation.
Other cities where the jobs have dried up:
Detroit
Gary
Pittsburgh
East St. Louis
Camden
Yeah, I hope Cleveland is able to turn around its population loss, not doing the city any favors.
One party rule for too long. Loss of manufacturing jobs, though we still have some left, greedy unions, NAFTA, ect... Also stupid policies such as bussing that caused middle class folks to flee to the suburbs. The inner city neighborhoods are where the population losses continue to happen, which is going to happen when crime and poverty chases away middle class people who don't want to deal with that s***! However; downtown Cleveland's population continues to grow. It's a start. Not to mention we have a lot of start up businesses going on, and a booming medical field.
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Originally Posted by Coolhand68
Cleveland is one of those cities I always want to root for and see make a comeback. It has so much potential and I hope it never goes the way of Detroit. It's a shame to see once great cities being reduced to rubble and urban decay along the rust belt.
Thanks. Those of us who still live in the region are rooting for us too. I think Detroit is worse off than we are too, and it's a shame that a once great city such as Detroit has really fallen to shambles.
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Originally Posted by Cleverfield
Because jobs left. That doesn't mean it's not a great place to live. You really think that a city's growth is the only way to determine a city's quality? Williston, North Dakota has a hugely growing population because of the oil boom, but I don't think many people would call it a great place.
I think the decline is starting finally slow a bit. Will Cleveland ever max out again and return to it's 1950's population of close to 1 million residents? No. Probably not, unless Cleveland and Cuyahoga County merged as what Columbus, Indianapolis, Louisville, Charlotte and Jacksonville did via annexation. But I could see with the positive direction it's heading, eventually hitting 500,000 to 600,000 residents in the city proper. One benefit to this region is sitting next to one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world, and with Ohio getting on board with the rest of the Great Lakes States and Canada in promising not to pipe water from the Great Lakes watershed, well.... fresh water may be the next boom. So, if you want it, and plenty of it, I guess you better come to where it's abundant. Because we ain't sharing it!
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Originally Posted by ColdAilment
Usually a place where the jobs are drying up is not a great place to live. Not saying Cleveland is bad, but it definitely does not have a good reputation.
Other cities where the jobs have dried up:
Detroit
Gary
Pittsburgh
East St. Louis
Camden
Yeah, I hope Cleveland is able to turn around its population loss, not doing the city any favors.
Out of all of those cities mentioned Pittsburgh is actually doing a good job re-inventing themselves. They really took a hit with job losses in the steel industry, and we had quite the influx of people relocating from western PA, to northeast Ohio. At any rate, as with life in general, the same goes for cities. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom, before you climb your way back to the top. Cleveland seems to be moving in a better direction.
One party rule for too long. Loss of manufacturing jobs, though we still have some left, greedy unions, NAFTA, ect... Also stupid policies such as bussing that caused middle class folks to flee to the suburbs. The inner city neighborhoods are where the population losses continue to happen, which is going to happen when crime and poverty chases away middle class people who don't want to deal with that s***! However; downtown Cleveland's population continues to grow. It's a start. Not to mention we have a lot of start up businesses going on, and a booming medical field.
Thanks. Those of us who still live in the region are rooting for us too. I think Detroit is worse off than we are too, and it's a shame that a once great city such as Detroit has really fallen to shambles.
I think the decline is starting finally slow a bit. Will Cleveland ever max out again and return to it's 1950's population of close to 1 million residents? No. Probably not, unless Cleveland and Cuyahoga County merged as what Columbus, Indianapolis, Louisville, Charlotte and Jacksonville did via annexation. But I could see with the positive direction it's heading, eventually hitting 500,000 to 600,000 residents in the city proper. One benefit to this region is sitting next to one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world, and with Ohio getting on board with the rest of the Great Lakes States and Canada in promising not to pipe water from the Great Lakes watershed, well.... fresh water may be the next boom. So, if you want it, and plenty of it, I guess you better come to where it's abundant. Because we ain't sharing it!
Out of all of those cities mentioned Pittsburgh is actually doing a good job re-inventing themselves. They really took a hit with job losses in the steel industry, and we had quite the influx of people relocating from western PA, to northeast Ohio. At any rate, as with life in general, the same goes for cities. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom, before you climb your way back to the top. Cleveland seems to be moving in a better direction.
Finally, a Cleveland homer who isn't bitter to discuss the actual reality out there, and address some staunch criticism of their home city. I admire that, and your ideas about Cleveland seem plausible.
I hear great things about Pittsburgh reinventing itself after a long and steep decline. They've completely diversified the economy and really built up the downtown area. It seems to me that Cleveland would probably be the closest sister city to have mirrored effects of what happened to Pittsburgh. Don't think Cleveland had the same level of steel mills, but I know they had some, and still a large blue collar manufacturing workforce.
I still like to root for cities like Cleveland, I'm a midwesterner born and raised, and Cleveland isn't too far from home for me. I'm from a smaller has been rust belt city, so I have an idea of what it's like to see a city trying to claim a new identity and diversify itself.
Finally, a Cleveland homer who isn't bitter to discuss the actual reality out there, and address some staunch criticism of their home city. I admire that, and your ideas about Cleveland seem plausible.
I hear great things about Pittsburgh reinventing itself after a long and steep decline. They've completely diversified the economy and really built up the downtown area. It seems to me that Cleveland would probably be the closest sister city to have mirrored effects of what happened to Pittsburgh. Don't think Cleveland had the same level of steel mills, but I know they had some, and still a large blue collar manufacturing workforce.
I still like to root for cities like Cleveland, I'm a midwesterner born and raised, and Cleveland isn't too far from home for me. I'm from a smaller has been rust belt city, so I have an idea of what it's like to see a city trying to claim a new identity and diversify itself.
I am a homer yes. But I will be the first to criticize when it's warranted. Why? Because I want to see my region reach the potential that it's capable of reaching, and what we're known for being a bunch of hardworking folks. There is some truth in what Lebron said in his letter when he stated "in northeast Ohio, nothing is given, everything is earned!" What I can't stand is when people perceive the region, and cling to that stigma, no matter what facts about the positives here, and what the city has to offer, and still hold the attitude like "yeah well you still suck anyway!" There are really a lot of good things happening here, and yes we still have a ways to go, but the future is looking brighter.
The biggest factor that caused Cleveland's decline was factories moving overseas. Period. It created a decline in all major American manufacturing cities, not just Cleveland. It was not the Unions or the Dems, it was disinvestment when factories realized that they could pay workers $4 an hour in China and other developing countries.
Just to add a bit of humor. The rest of the country knows what's happening here and seems to be supportive. I was watching "Hot In Cleveland" tonight and there was a little animation over the opening credits of an airplane carrying a banner that said "Welcome Back LeBron."
That was kind of a nice homage to something positive happening in our city.
I'm from Pittsburgh, I see Cleveland as a poor-man's Youngstown- struggling but never quite attaining the status of the city just to their south east.
OMG, that's too funny, I laughed out loud at this. Cleveland's a poor man's Youngstown, and will never achieve its status? That is such a good joke! And it's funny because it's so far from the truth.
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