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I'm from Pittsburgh, I see Cleveland as a poor-man's Youngstown- struggling but never quite attaining the status of the city just to their south east.
Hmmm a poor man's Youngstown???? I seem to remember that when Pittsburgh's steel industry declined that a lot of folks from western PA relocated to northeast Ohio for jobs. Make no mistake, Pittsburgh has done a good job reinventing themselves as of late, but they aren't necessarily growing by leaps and bounds in terms of people flocking back to the city either. However; both cities I believe are heading in the right direction. By no means are they dead and buried.
I'm from Pittsburgh, I see Cleveland as a poor-man's Youngstown- struggling but never quite attaining the status of the city just to their south east.
Is this really what you meant to write?
I really enjoy living in Youngstown, but we're still behind Cleveland in terms of revitalization. Cleveland is also behind Pittsburgh in its revitalization, but Cleveland is hot on Pittsburgh's trail. The biggest difference between Cleveland and Pittsburgh, IMO, is their reputation--or lack thereof.
A poor man's Youngstown is a kick in the balls. Cleveland is in a lot better shape than Youngstown, pay no attention to this person clamoring for attention. A Pittsburgh homer trying to start crap with Cleveland.
A poor man's Youngstown is a kick in the balls. Cleveland is in a lot better shape than Youngstown, pay no attention to this person clamoring for attention. A Pittsburgh homer trying to start crap with Cleveland.
I used to live in the Pittsburgh area (nine years in the North Hills). I've been through Youngstown many times to get to greater Cleveland, and I always thought Youngstown was a poor man's Cleveland. Kind of. Lots smaller, but same industrial history. Unfortunately Youngstown, which would be such a nice city, is economically depressed way beyond CLE or PGH.
I, too, am a Pittsburgh homer---I've just never felt all that comfy in Cleveland, mainly owing to who takes me on car rides there---but all three areas are what they are. Cleveland is trying to revitalize, and having some recent successes. Pittsburgh has the medical thing going on (actually Cleveland, too), and the Youngstown area bi-state seems to somehow be OK with living in the shadow of the Steeler Nation on the PA side, and the Dawg Pound in YNG itself.
As you've probably heard, Cleveland is to host the 2016 RNC Convention. As a Clevelander, I along with all of Northeast Ohio have been sitting on the edge of our seats and have been waiting for the announcement, and were excited when they announced it today. I have always lived in Cleveland and have seen Cleveland's worse times, but today is an example that Cleveland is going to be a great city in the near future.
As of today, Cleveland is a great city as it is. Now, there are some run down areas in Cleveland that no one would want to step foot in. These neighborhoods are run down with abandoned houses and buildings, crime, gangs, guns, violence, and in some areas prostitutes. These areas are in some areas about 4-5 miles east of downtown. Fortunately, there have been extensive projects started by groups such as Cleveland 2019 (A group that is fixing Cleveland to be the best by 2019) along with the city of Cleveland and private investors, that have been fixing up these run down areas by flipping houses and building new houses and opening restaurants.
The rest of Cleveland is mostly a great place to go. Cleveland is a city that has big neighborhoods within the city limits, and suburb surrounding the city. There are places in Cleveland like South Broadway and Cleveland Heights and Beachwood that attract a lot of people because of how many bars and restaurants there are there. Cleveland also has the world famous Rockefeller Park, which attracts thousands of people each year to it's lush trees and it's amazing cultural gardens.
To get to the point, I was wondering. What do people from other cities think about Cleveland?
Was there for the first time last month... my thoughts:
1. Working city.
2. Nice people.
3. Lot of construction.
4. Nice views from different areas.
5. Cheap food and everything else (compared to DC).
With that said, I think Cleveland is a city that I don't hate but don't love either. It "just is". That is not a bad or good thing... nothing "special" I could find about the city. I did not leave there and think "I should or even need to return". But not a place I would avoid or not want to return.
I'll end with: I thought the people were extremely nice. Reminded me of a small southern town... "working" towns seem to be like that.
Was there for the first time last month... my thoughts:
1. Working city.
2. Nice people.
3. Lot of construction.
4. Nice views from different areas.
5. Cheap food and everything else (compared to DC).
With that said, I think Cleveland is a city that I don't hate but don't love either. It "just is". That is not a bad or good thing... nothing "special" I could find about the city. I did not leave there and think "I should or even need to return". But not a place I would avoid or not want to return.
I'll end with: I thought the people were extremely nice. Reminded me of a small southern town... "working" towns seem to be like that.
**my limited thoughts from a stay of two days**
2 days huh? I've got a couple of questions.
1. When was this?
2. How was the weather?
3. Did you do anything exciting?
If you answered 10 years ago, cold, snowy and cloudy, and you stayed with family in the suburbs, then you definitely haven't seen Cleveland. The next time you come to Cleveland, make sure you stay longer, stay out of the suburbs (Except for Chagrin Falls, Lakewood, Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights and Beachwood) and go to one of our museums or something. Also, go downtown. Downtown is the most important place in Cleveland. Next time you come to Cleveland, have fun.
1. When was this?
2. How was the weather?
3. Did you do anything exciting?
If you answered 10 years ago, cold, snowy and cloudy, and you stayed with family in the suburbs, then you definitely haven't seen Cleveland.
Reading comprehension? The other poster said last month. I hardly think it was cold and snowy in June.
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I seem to remember that when Pittsburgh's steel industry declined that a lot of folks from western PA relocated to northeast Ohio for jobs. Make no mistake, Pittsburgh has done a good job reinventing themselves as of late, but they aren't necessarily growing by leaps and bounds in terms of people flocking back to the city either. However; both cities I believe are heading in the right direction. By no means are they dead and buried.
