Cleveland Development Discussions (Columbus, Strongsville, Ohio City: Asian, definition, staffing)

[usaf_1832]

Found a really good summary of new projects in Cleveland - check it out!

https://www.centerforcleveland.org/current-cle-projects

[216facts]

CCF update, $1.3B is a pretty good investment

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/...cleveland.html

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 216facts

CCF update, $1.3B is a pretty good investment

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/...cleveland.html

Wow!



<<To help make way for one of the biggest projects, a new, 1-million-square-foot Neurological Institute between East 86th Street and East 90th Street on its main campus in Cleveland, the Clinic said it would demolish the historic Cleveland Play House complex at East 85th Street and Euclid Avenue.


The Play House includes the theater’s original 1926 building and a 1983 expansion designed by architect Philip Johnson, a Cleveland native who became one of America’s most important 20th-century architects.>>


It will be interesting to see how much pushback results from this decision. Lots of memories are rooted in that complex among older Clevelanders.


I don't know if it would be practical, but I always wondered if the massive Play House campus couldn't be the home for some museum, such as a Rock Hall overflow or general music museum. Such a music museum could put the theaters to good use.


It's not like there is a shortage of available land in Hough.


The Clinic expansions will continue to power the Greater University Circle job market, a consideration which will likely result in little or no challenge to the demolition of the Play House campus.


<<The new projects announced by the Clinic will be funded in large part by philanthropy, and will add more than 2,000 indirect and 7,500 direct jobs, the institution said.>>


Thanks for posting the article!

[216facts]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Wow!



<<To help make way for one of the biggest projects, a new, 1-million-square-foot Neurological Institute between East 86th Street and East 90th Street on its main campus in Cleveland, the Clinic said it would demolish the historic Cleveland Play House complex at East 85th Street and Euclid Avenue.


The Play House includes the theater’s original 1926 building and a 1983 expansion designed by architect Philip Johnson, a Cleveland native who became one of America’s most important 20th-century architects.>>


It will be interesting to see how much pushback results from this decision. Lots of memories are rooted in that complex among older Clevelanders.


I don't know if it would be practical, but I always wondered if the massive Play House campus couldn't be the home for some museum, such as a Rock Hall overflow or general music museum. Such a music museum could put the theaters to good use.


It's not like there is a shortage of available land in Hough.


The Clinic expansions will continue to power the Greater University Circle job market, a consideration which will likely result in little or no challenge to the demolition of the Play House campus.


<<The new projects announced by the Clinic will be funded in large part by philanthropy, and will add more than 2,000 indirect and 7,500 direct jobs, the institution said.>>


Thanks for posting the article!

You probably remember when the old Cleveland Center for Contemporary Art was also in that Playhouse building. I know it has architectural significance, but I think it is time for it to go to CCF for demo and development. It was a good long term move for the Contemporary Art museum (now MOCA) to go to artsy museum center of Cleveland where it is now, and for the Cleveland Playhouse to move to Playhouse Square. Those two moves strengthen those two districts - considerably.

On another note, UC is really starting to get some synergy with the high rise apartments, the TOD in Little Italy, and the CCF expansion. All the more impressive.

[216facts]

little update:
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/...0-million.html

[bjimmy24]

Breathing new life into the old Sokolowski’s restaurant site in Cleveland
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/...e-in-cleveland

The plan is to get rid of the former restaurant and build, in its place, a 6-story apartment complex that has a public 2nd-story terrace overlooking the Towpath.

“We are creating a cascading terrace that includes and enhances that aspect that will allow for small,160-square-foot small retail and restaurants so that you can kind of have a modern-day cafeteria, modern-day food truck but it’s stationary. Sokowloski’s, the history there, it transformed to being a cafeteria-style restaurant in 1950. This is a modern play of a cafeteria in an outdoor environment,” said Brandon Kline.

I think this is a great use of the land and better for the neighborhood than just another restaurant.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Breathing new life into the old Sokolowski’s restaurant site in Cleveland
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/...e-in-cleveland



I think this is a great use of the land and better for the neighborhood than just another restaurant.

While the design model for the proposed building shown in the video is novel, I didn't see any parking, nor was that issue discussed in the article. Parking often was an issue at Sokolowski's even though it had its own small parking lot. It's unlikely the parking issue will be ignored as the project proceeds through the regulatory process. I also wonder if there is height limit for Tremont construction.


Towpath traffic alone seems unlikely to support the retail establishments, especially in colder months. Who will visit these pocket-sized, stationary restaurants in December, January, etc., if there is little or no inside seating?



It perplexes me that the development described is economic given the likely $1-2 million, perhaps more, cost of the property including demolition and site preparation. Paying over $1 million for the land and building made some sense, but demolishing the building and rebuilding boggles my mind somewhat.



https://www.cleveland.com/realestate...etermined.html


If tear-down economics are this robust in Cleveland, the city may be transformed in coming years.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by WRnative

While the design model for the proposed building shown in the video is novel, I didn't see any parking, nor was that issue discussed in the article. Parking often was an issue at Sokolowski's even though it had its own small parking lot. It's unlikely the parking issue will be ignored as the project proceeds through the regulatory process. I also wonder if there is height limit for Tremont construction.


Towpath traffic alone seems unlikely to support the retail establishments, especially in colder months. Who will visit these pocket-sized, stationary restaurants in December, January, etc., if there is little or no inside seating?



It perplexes me that the development described is economic given the likely $1-2 million, perhaps more, cost of the property including demolition and site preparation. Paying over $1 million for the land and building made some sense, but demolishing the building and rebuilding boggles my mind somewhat.



https://www.cleveland.com/realestate...etermined.html


If tear-down economics are this robust in Cleveland, the city may be transformed in coming years.

My anti-parking views are well known, so I won't get into it, but suffice to say, this is for the neighborhood and as such it is an improvement. Developing land for the people who live there is always the best decision. Of course, Tremont residents will patronize such establishments, as they do the rest of Tremont despite alleged parking problems.

[216facts]

Like any restaurant/retail, it will need market tested. But it is a good idea, a different idea, and worthy of investment and market test, IMO. There is decent parking underneath the bridge, BTW.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

My anti-parking views are well known, so I won't get into it, but suffice to say, this is for the neighborhood and as such it is an improvement. Developing land for the people who live there is always the best decision. Of course, Tremont residents will patronize such establishments, as they do the rest of Tremont despite alleged parking problems.

Sokolowski's is far off the beaten path in Tremont. Given all of the other options in Tremont, I wonder how much the locals will patronize that complex AFTER the novelty has warn off, especially in the winter.


Like Sokolowski's, to be a success, my hunch is that the project will have to be a destination.