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Here is NJ using the Black Excellist criteria(at least 30% and $50k MHHI), but with an adjustment up to at least $60k for portions in the NYC metro area. This list isn't in a particular order.
This doesn't get into some that are in the 28-29.4% range like Linden(07036), Rahway(07065) and Neptune(07753). Let alone those at least 25% like Teaneck, Englewood, West Orange, Franklin Park, etc.
How bad is Providence for black people? How visible and integrated is the black community? I'd imagine it to be the safest and cheapest out of all the options?
How bad is Providence for black people? How visible and integrated is the black community? I'd imagine it to be the safest and cheapest out of all the options?
I think Harrisburg is the cheapest, but the thing with the city is that the land area is small. So, much of its black middle class is in Susquehanna Township: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...hin-county-pa/
So, in that area, those would be the likely locations said folks would look into. Middletown, Carlisle(currently it’s mayor is black), Mechanicsburg and Steelton are other places in the Harrisburg area with decent to high black populations as well. Some may go private for schooling, as Bishop McDevitt is a private high school in the area with a decent black student enrollment and is known for its Football program(Le Sean McCoy, Ricky Waters, etc.). Harrisburg Academy and Trinity are others in that area. Some may consider Hershey/Derry Township, which also houses the Milton Hershey School, a boarding school with quite a few black students that come from urban environments.
As for Providence, you’ll see black people(non Hispanic and Hispanic) throughout the state. That’s what I saw when I was out there about a month ago. I would say that in the Middletown/Newport East area there is a visible black population that is middle class and in pockets of Providence and the immediate cities/suburbs(Cranston, Pawtucket, East Providence, North Providence, West Warwick and places in MA like Attleboro and Taunton).
I believe in terms of crime, it has had its years, but has chilled out some in recent years.
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How bad is Providence for black people? How visible and integrated is the black community? I'd imagine it to be the safest and cheapest out of all the options?
Providence is safe on paper but the hood culture s pervasive, things like loud music, dirtbikes and street fights are very common and constant. It has a lot less gang activity than Boston and is sort of more into random street crime.
Its less dense than Boston but the housing is just as old, and most of the neighborhoods are pretty similar. If you wake up in the car in Providence or Boston you cant tell the difference. but it has more poverty in general and more of that old-school racism tinge in the suburbs... However, its a lot more laid back and let -ive than Boston, more artsy and very little upper crust stuffiness of any race. A lot of the more 'ratchet' or street hip hop acts come to Providence because Boston police won't allows them to build up gangs ties and stuff in the city before and after concerts so they just basically get banned from Boston.
There is no notable middle class of black people in Providence..just the working class and the lower middle class. Recently, black people have slowly started to move into the suburbs of Providence, particularly the ones in Massachusetts-those seeing larger gains than the RI suburbs of Providence. Probably because school quality in Rhode Island is the lowest in New England. Prior to the pandemic, Providence was extremely affordable which makes it a landing spot for some semi-professionals from the Boston Area.
In Providence firmly 75-80% of all black people are going to be either Mixed-Race, Cape Verdean, Hispanic, Liberian, Jamaican, or Haitian. So just know that, but I don't think overall numbers are enough where everyone can preserve their independent culture, its a melting pot situation. You're talking about 20,000 African Americans in the whole state out of 1.1 M people. Maybe 10/15,000 in Providence.
One time I was in Providence Place Mall, and I had some Maryland something on and this dude working at TMobile was like yo, where you from in Maryland. he was from PG but had settled in providence after college (he went to Johnson and Wales, Providence). Another time I met a dude at some after-hours spot from Baltimore.
My little brother just moved to Providence and I have two good friends there. Honestly a fun time for a young black man in his 20s for sure. Beautiful women, a high per capita rate of clubs, strip clubs. Affordable, good food, really big mall right downtown with great shopping, and very diverse but definitely predominately Latino. As a city its very progressive and face hostility from many suburban white Rhode islanders.
My mother live in nearby Woonsocket, RI a city of 40,000 that is 60% white, 24% latino, 8 % Black and 8% Other/Mixed. It's an old worn-down city that remains somewhat safe, and has some nice suburban neighborhoods. To town and its a 15-minute highway drive to Providence. Woonsocket-like most soutern New England Mill City's did historically have a few black southern African American families living there but it never became more than 2-3% (much like Central Falls, Rhode Island home of Viola Davis)
The black population is so young there, its not realistic for a black middle-class family. IT basically all about the turn-up and there is not much of an economy in Providence, and what there is goes mostly to white people-but that's scant. It is mostly college-based with some middle-management types, city workers, and the rest work service, education and healthcare. Upwardly mobile black people always will be in Boston or even Worcester nowadays before Providence. Worcester is now blacker (13.7% non-mixed, non-hispanic-29k) than Providence (11.0% non-mixed, non-Hispanic, 22.3k)with a larger and more middle-class black populace. The strong tech economy there and relative affordability have drawn Ghanaians, African Americans, and a few West Indians. Providence has been slowly seeing it black share decline and become more and more Cape Verdean and Liberian. Groups who typically have lower education levels. The lack of high incomes and good school combined with the heavy inner-city vibe of providnece, and suburban ignorance (literally ignorant in compared to more educated Boston burbs) and small size prevent inward Black American migration.
I think Harrisburg is the cheapest, but the thing with the city is that the land area is small. So, much of its black middle class is in Susquehanna Township: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...hin-county-pa/
So, in that area, those would be the likely locations said folks would look into. Middletown, Carlisle(currently it’s mayor is black), Mechanicsburg and Steelton are other places in the Harrisburg area with decent to high black populations as well. Some may go private for schooling, as Bishop McDevitt is a private high school in the area with a decent black student enrollment and is known for its Football program(Le Sean McCoy, Ricky Waters, etc.). Harrisburg Academy and Trinity are others in that area. Some may consider Hershey/Derry Township, which also houses the Milton Hershey School, a boarding school with quite a few black students that come from urban environments.
As for Providence, you’ll see black people(non Hispanic and Hispanic) throughout the state. That’s what I saw when I was out there about a month ago. I would say that in the Middletown/Newport East area there is a visible black population that is middle class and in pockets of Providence and the immediate cities/suburbs(Cranston, Pawtucket, East Providence, North Providence, West Warwick and places in MA like Attleboro and Taunton).
I believe in terms of crime, it has had its years, but has chilled out some in recent years.
Nah not in western Rhode island at all nor in Southern Rhode Island outside of Newport and Middletown. You basically only find them in Eastern Providence County and then in Newport. Much of the state is literally 1% black or less. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/...w-census-data/
But yea the Afro-Latinos make the numbers much more visible (9.1%) Odd are you were seeing a lot of Black Hispanics. BTW you'll also find black people in Woonsocket RI and Raynham MA. In certain neighborhoods and store syou can find a lot of black people (I'm talking about you Walmart in Attleboro MA)
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This sort of open space in the city or just 2/3 minutes outside the city-relative to its size is one thing that sort of edges Boston above the others for me, there's a good deal of this. Always peaceful, always diverse groups of people.
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DEFINITELY NOT Boston. People used to refer to that town as going "up south". Its gotten better but its not a place black folks will feel as comfortable. Philly's problem is crime and public schools. Good suburbs though and less expensive than other big east coast metros.
DEFINITELY NOT Boston. People used to refer to that town as going "up south". Its gotten better but its not a place black folks will feel as comfortable. Philly's problem is crime and public schools. Good suburbs though and less expensive than other big east coast metros.
^Theres always 'that guy' The one who tells us Boston has a reputation as though no one knows that. Talking about the reality on the ground in 2021...not what "people used to refer to it as"
You think all the black people in Boston are just walking around uncomfortable? Been there 300+ years..Hundred of thousands of black people. many black organizations founded and sustained there-yet were all uncomfortable? In what way does that make sense?
There's nothing "south" about Boston in any way, shape or form. Im literally in constant communication with a woman who just moved from Nashville by way of Jackson and she loves it. Met another woman there from Cleveland 2 weekends ago on a visit there, said the same ....and much appreciated Boston over Philly for her kids. You can say I'm lying, but I'm not *shrug*. Real words I've heard from people's mouths.
But for clarification: early on I thought we sort of established it cant be "metro" because several of these places are in the NYC or Philly metro. Or am I misremembering?
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