Which Northeast city would be best for a black middle class family? (state, compare)
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Baltimore definitely does, by both the white and black community imo. At least Boston is also known for it's world class education, history, sports teams, accents ect; Baltimore is viewed as some 3rd world city that's still like the Wire which is unfortunate because its a beautiful black city in my eyes. (*I'm also positive a lot of Baltimore's criticism has racial undertones anyway, but I digress)
Philadelphia is also scrutinized heavily too, so I empathize with your situation of people talking out their necks about your city lol. That's why you might see me come to Boston and Baltimore's defense sometimes, it's annoying for people to perpetuate outdated tropes and stereotypes about a city, especially one they've never visited.
Well, there's always some truth in these things.
Objectively Baltimore does have large swaths of it I would consider 3rd world. And the Wire is applicable to 50% of the city. For that reason, I will be leaving Baltimore as soon as possible. I am fed up with the dysfunctions, crime, trash, rats, roaches (I've not seen so many roaches AND rats walking on sidewalks at night- all over0, roads, etc. Its just too much. It makes sense why black folks prefer the suburbs of this city.
That being said it is a BEAUTIFUL black city. In many areas, walkable, and every downtrodden block could be salvaged and made really attractive. Great bones, very live and let live commerce and attitude. Good energy, manageable traffic, good food. Great architecture, walkability and practicality
Now Boston isn't very inclusive culturally, and it does have a poor racial history that lasted into the late 80s/early 1990s. It hasn't historically elevated its black populace. There are some more racist Irish suburbs, albeit I find more white trash in Baltimore suburbs (by far). It doesn't have much black nightlife/nice restaurants. It crosses the line when people are like: Will I be able to find a barber there? Is there hip hop/culture there? Does Boston "like" black people... it's like...cmon now. Like who or what is "Boston" and what does "liking' black people mean?
Philly is much like Baltimore, except it's a bit less barren. And people are more friendly about they're assessment of Philly than Bmore or Boston... I don't think people aren't gonna dig up a ton of articles dumping on Philly the way they might for Baltimore or Boston. People dedicate a lot of energy to finding reasons to dislike Boston and Baltimore, like a lot. And you just aren't going to find the knee-jerk visceral hate for Bmore or Philly amongst members of the Black community that you'll for Boston.
Ive definitely read tweets where black Bostonians are like "black men attacked me on Twitter for being a Boston sports fan"/"i got kicked out x y or x group for my Boston affiliations" things like that. Its a different beast... you'd have to be from our perspective to see it. Because by many it is not considered speaking out of their neck, people back up those opinions loudly while loudly saying they've never been nor would go to Boston.
The difference being in Boston's case anything that happens in the state or NH or RI is assumed to be reflective of Boston. Baltimore isn't held applicable for Carrol County or Frederick County etc... Boston doesn't have that luxury.
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"Massachusetts was the first state to abolish slavery, and well-off African Americans had already built thriving lives and businesses in the state. “Martha’s Vineyard was part of the underground railroad, so it was known as a safe and welcoming community for African Americans,†says Nancy Gardella, executive director of Martha’s Vineyard Chamber of Commerce. “They didn’t feel entirely welcome in other beach enclaves.â€
Along with the ferry that regularly deposited travelers right in Oak Bluffs, and the legions of Black families who began to visit beginning in the 1800s and then built dollhouse-like summer cottages in town, the inn helped spread word of Martha’s Vineyard’s comforts to families in Philadelphia; DC; Hartford, Connecticut; New York; and Boston."
Objectively Baltimore does have large swaths of it I would consider 3rd world. And the Wire is applicable to 50% of the city. For that reason, I will be leaving Baltimore as soon as possible. I am fed up with the dysfunctions, crime, trash, rats, roaches (I've not seen so many roaches AND rats walking on sidewalks at night- all over0, roads, etc. Its just too much. It makes sense why black folks prefer the suburbs of this city.
That being said it is a BEAUTIFUL black city. In many areas, walkable, and every downtrodden block could be salvaged and made really attractive. Great bones, very live and let live commerce and attitude. Good energy, manageable traffic, good food. Great architecture, walkability and practicality
Now Boston isn't very inclusive culturally, and it does have a poor racial history that lasted into the late 80s/early 1990s. It hasn't historically elevated its black populace. There are some more racist Irish suburbs, albeit I find more white trash in Baltimore suburbs (by far). It doesn't have much black nightlife/nice restaurants. It crosses the line when people are like: Will I be able to find a barber there? Is there hip hop/culture there? Does Boston "like" black people... it's like...cmon now. Like who or what is "Boston" and what does "liking' black people mean?
Philly is much like Baltimore, except it's a bit less barren. And people are more friendly about they're assessment of Philly than Bmore or Boston... I don't think people aren't gonna dig up a ton of articles dumping on Philly the way they might for Baltimore or Boston. People dedicate a lot of energy to finding reasons to dislike Boston and Baltimore, like a lot. And you just aren't going to find the knee-jerk visceral hate for Bmore or Philly amongst members of the Black community that you'll for Boston. https://twitter.com/ChargeKick/statu...429065728?s=20
Ive definitely read tweets where black Bostonians are like "black men attacked me on Twitter for being a Boston sports fan"/"i got kicked out x y or x group for my Boston affiliations" things like that. Its a different beast... you'd have to be from our perspective to see it. Because by many it is not considered speaking out of their neck, people back up those opinions loudly while loudly saying they've never been nor would go to Boston.
The difference being in Boston's case anything that happens in the state or NH or RI is assumed to be reflective of Boston. Baltimore isn't held applicable for Carrol County or Frederick County etc... Boston doesn't have that luxury.
Some of the Tweets look like ordinary rivalries, like the poster from New York.
But yeah, that's actually different though still .... Philly fans are definitely the most hated on by white people, but black people seem indifferent towards us. In Boston's case, black AND white people who have no affliction to the area hate y'all.
I also think this is the only time I've ever seen someone be labeled a coon based off of where they live. That's a first...
I do recall seeing memes on Twitter about Pats fans getting ready to call cam slurs if he messed up.
"Massachusetts was the first state to abolish slavery, and well-off African Americans had already built thriving lives and businesses in the state. “Martha’s Vineyard was part of the underground railroad, so it was known as a safe and welcoming community for African Americans,†says Nancy Gardella, executive director of Martha’s Vineyard Chamber of Commerce. “They didn’t feel entirely welcome in other beach enclaves.â€
Along with the ferry that regularly deposited travelers right in Oak Bluffs, and the legions of Black families who began to visit beginning in the 1800s and then built dollhouse-like summer cottages in town, the inn helped spread word of Martha’s Vineyard’s comforts to families in Philadelphia; DC; Hartford, Connecticut; New York; and Boston."
This makes me think of the Sag Harbor NY on Long Island information I posted in another thread.
On Long Island, a Beachfront Haven for Black Families
"In the 1930s, a group of trailblazing African-Americans bought plots for themselves in Sag Harbor, establishing a close-knit community that’s spanned multiple generations."
This makes me think of the Sag Harbor NY on Long Island information I posted in another thread.
On Long Island, a Beachfront Haven for Black Families
"In the 1930s, a group of trailblazing African-Americans bought plots for themselves in Sag Harbor, establishing a close-knit community that’s spanned multiple generations."
Some of the Tweets look like ordinary rivalries, like the poster from New York.
But yeah, that's actually different though still .... Philly fans are definitely the most hated on by white people, but black people seem indifferent towards us. In Boston's case, black AND white people who have no affliction to the area hate y'all.
I also think this is the only time I've ever seen someone be labeled a coon based off of where they live. That's a first...
I do recall seeing memes on Twitter about Pats fans getting ready to call cam slurs if he messed up.
We already know if this piece was written about Boston, the comment section would be agreeing with the author.
Happens all the time-, coon, uncle tom, the sunken place, lost negro. If you had lived this life over 30 years you'd see this dozen of times and be called such as well.
Cedric Maxwell said he experienced that dislike from other NBA players when he and Parish played for the Celtics-despite being pretty outspoken and active in the black community. Naturally, folks in 2021 roasted him for allowing himself to be called “cornbread†by the Celtics and his opinions on Boston racism were rendered invalid. Nevermind a black teammate, Melvin Watkins, gave him the nickname.
people are already saying Cam maybe possibly not starting (a year after throwing 8TDS and 10INTs) is racist. nevermind his stats-he's missing practices because he won't get the vaccine which means we may have to forfeit games. But its already been deemed racist. So that will for sure pop up in ESPN sometime in October.
Only 2 of these tweets were really related to sports teams- 3, if you count the guy who said he want the WNBA to add a team in Boston so he can hate that team...as I said the hate you receive from back people outside of Boston in being proud to be from Boston is easily worse than racism in Boston. I've never been called a coon by a white person in Boston-just as one example...
Philly is open to such attack but as your last link proves Bosotn is always a convenient scapegoat for any racial issue, it make other people feel better about their city. .
It's a different level of disdain for Boston,to the point where things said by black people arent things people say are said to have been said by white people and that's why its racist.
I don't think there's a Providence equivalent here in the Philadelphia Metro, the way you described it being attractive for single 20 somethings with an active party/nightlife scene. Closest thing I guess would be Wilmington or AC? Because I don't know anyone who moves to Darby, Cheltenham Norristown ect; looking for great nightlife, it's usually families searching for safer place to raise their children rather than single 20 year olds looking to get lit without the police harassing them.
Providence is the core city of its own metropolitan area, separate from Boston. Wilmington DE isn't. That accounts for much of the difference. What you should be comparing Providence to down this way is the Lehigh Valley, which would be the closest parallel to Metro Providence.
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And ainno way Im moving to no damn Harrisburg or Newark before Boston if I had a family and had the choice, lol-im sorry, no.
^Much respect to Newark though!
I don't blame you for your attitude towards Harrisburg, but while I appreciate your giving Newark props (it deserves them), I think you may be selling that city short. Sure, it's smaller and poorer than Boston, but it has very strong bones.
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There's no need for it in Philly- you can just be in Philly because it's that big lol.
Wilmington definitely ain't it, neither is A/C... Providence has 191k people but adjacent Pawtucket and Central Falls touch Providence, share similar demographics and are also over 10,000 ppsmi. Altogether those three are at 280,000. Doesn't get the tourism of A/C. Way larger than Wilmington
Providence really is more comparable in size to Newark in terms of feel/population/importance.
Were Newark anywhere other than 15 minutes from Manhattan by train, we would be talking about a metropolitan center in its own right.
Providence is the core city of its own metropolitan area, separate from Boston. Wilmington DE isn't. That accounts for much of the difference. What you should be comparing Providence to down this way is the Lehigh Valley, which would be the closest parallel to Metro Providence.
I don't blame you for your attitude towards Harrisburg, but while I appreciate your giving Newark props (it deserves them), I think you may be selling that city short. Sure, it's smaller and poorer than Boston, but it has very strong bones.
Were Newark anywhere other than 15 minutes from Manhattan by train, we would be talking about a metropolitan center in its own right.
Providence may be closer to the core portion of the Pittsburgh metro, as it is a metro of about 1.6 million or so.
I agree in regards to Harrisburg. I think people may underestimate how urban some of the neighborhoods in the city are, it has some things to do and its location a little over an hour of Baltimore may appeal to some people. Some examples of city neighborhoods that could appeal to those that want a more urban environment: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2759...7i16384!8i8192
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