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With all due respect, I've never heard anyone refer to Malden or Everett as particularly desirable. Both have a pretty gritty/working-class vibe for which you were so dismissive of analogues in the Philly area.
But aside from that, as I point out before, you're drawing a logical fallacy. The fact that blacks live in affluent towns does not mean that they are affluent themselves. That's precisely why you have to single out household incomes AMONG blacks alone. Otherwise, the comparison is meaningless. That's to say nothing of the fact that COL differences are significant between both regions.
Again, the only meaningful comparison we can draw is an approximately 41K household income for blacks in metro Philly versus 58K in the Boston area, which puts them at relative parity when adjusted.
I was referring to two area I didn’t include in that count I also mention suburban NJ. Malden and Everett are not undesirable and they are predominately middle or lower middle class although Everett I. Particular has gritty parts. I would actually call Malden desirable and I would 100% raise a family there. It’s not perfect but it’s way better than Coatesville (so I’ve heard)...
Second I think it’s bull that you really think the black people living in those towns aren’t middle class as though they have enough affordable housing to accommodate thousand of impoverished black people. When they notoriously DONT have that. I call BS.
Even STILL the numbers here indicate there is a black population in Those towns a middle class black family could develop social ties with.
And AGAIN your COL was imperfect because it compared Boston proper to Philadelphia proper. Boston has VERY expensive housing relative to where many middle class Black people live (Along Route24/28, south of the city). And Philadelphia has very inexpensive housing. The second I compared two suburban towns the gap was in Boston’s favor, you remember that right?
In terms of 13224, its black population is more middle class and has a longer history of being so. Many live in the predominantly black working, middle class Salt Springs neighborhood, particularly in its eastern portion near Le Moyne College like this street view: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0494...7i13312!8i6656
So, due to the dynamics, you get a wide range of student results, which can include black valedictorians that go to Ivy League schools. One currently is at Cornell and another in the past graduated from Harvard and later Northwestern's Medill School of Communications. Some alumni: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorsey_Levens
So, that gives some insight into both of those areas of the city.
Just to add in regards to some of the other criteria, other suburban areas/SD's such as Liverpool, North Syracuse and Onondaga Central also have a visible black middle class. Some are scattered to other suburbs as well(Westhill, Fayetteville-Manlius, East Syracuse-Minoa, West Genesee, Baldwinsville, Solvay, Lyncourt).
Middle class black residents are likely to live in the Bayberry area of Clay and the Galeville/Chestnut Heights/Sunflower Park area of Salina, with a few in the village.
Onondaga Central is a small suburban/rural hybrid SD, with most of the black residents living in Nedrow(a working/middle class suburb, with some in the Tabitha Creek development in Onondaga Hill: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...726-nedrow-ny/
In terms of Syracuse parks, Upper Onondaga Park is a nice park in the SW corner of the city where you can get a good run on the court, go swim, to the playground or go for a nice walk: http://www.syracuse.ny.us/Parks/onondagaParkUpper.html
Barry Park on the East Side is another park that is pretty popular where you may find pick up soccer, walkers, runners, runs on the court or people at the playground: http://www.syracuse.ny.us/Parks/barryPark.html
Thornden Park near Syracuse University can have its share of activity, including Shakespeare in the amphitheater, Pop Warner games and has a nice Rose Garden: http://www.syracuse.ny.us/Parks/thorndenPark.html
As for another neighborhood, this is a walkable area with a mix of restaurants, an African dance studio and the Paul Dunbar American Legion that has fish fry's on Fridays and has a Cultural festival every September also on the city's East Side: https://westcottsyr.com/
Going towards Downtown on East Genesee Street(where there are 2 black dentist offices), you have this cultural center affiliated with Syracuse University and dance school: Home: Community Folk Arts Center, Syracuse University
This doesn't include the South Side, which is actually the side of town with the highest black percentage and has some thing going on in the Sankofa District on South Salina Street, as mentioned in the Cultural Nodes thread. http://www.tomorrowsneighborhoodstoday.org/southside
Even on the other sides of town like the North Side, it is a very diverse area with the black population being a mix from African immigrants/refugees and AA's(can see references in the African/Caribbean thread with videos from Sudanese and Somalian events). On the West Side most are on the Near West Side, which is where much of the city's Hispanic population lives and is a rough area that has tried to somewhat gentrify in in its northern portion. http://www.tomorrowsneighborhoodstoday.org/northside
If you want old money, besides the previously mentioned Strathmore, which is where Upper Onondaga Park is located and not too far from Corcoran high; you also have Scottholm on the East Side not too far from Nottingham High: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0434...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
Some other things, Destiny USA in the city is the 6th biggest shopping center in the country and includes more than shopping with things like a FunnyBone comedy club, indoor cart racing, etc.(kids can act the fool there at times though): https://www.destinyusa.com/
If you like sports, you have Syracuse University, AHL Hockey and International League(Triple A) baseball. https://cuse.com/
I was referring to two area I didn’t include in that count I also mention suburban NJ. Malden and Everett are not undesirable and they are predominately middle or lower middle class although Everett I. Particular has gritty parts. I would actually call Malden desirable and I would 100% raise a family there. It’s not perfect but it’s way better than Coatesville (so I’ve heard)...
Second I think it’s bull that you really think the black people living in those towns aren’t middle class as though they have enough affordable housing to accommodate thousand of impoverished black people. When they notoriously DONT have that. I call BS.
I'm not trying to make any assumptions. You could very well be right. My point is that it's not necessarily the best way to determine income levels with a very specific subset of the population, especially when Census data can be very quirky at the local level.
In terms of Coatesville, its reputation is much worse than reality. Not as thriving as it could be/used to be, certainly, but it does offer stable lower-middle-to-middle class living for many black families:
And AGAIN your COL was imperfect because it compared Boston proper to Philadelphia proper. Boston has VERY expensive housing relative to where many middle class Black people live (Along Route24/28, south of the city). And Philadelphia has very inexpensive housing. The second I compared two suburban towns the gap was in Boston’s favor, you remember that right?
On a metro area level, Boston has an approximately 30% higher COL compared to the Philly area. Admittedly, that would still leave Boston with an edge between 41K v. 58K, but the gap would close dramatically.
I'm not trying to make any assumptions. You could very well be right. My point is that it's not necessarily the best way to determine income levels with a very specific subset of the population, especially when Census data can be very quirky at the local level.
In terms of Coatesville, its reputation is much worse than reality. Not as thriving as it could be/used to be, certainly, but it does offer stable lower-middle-to-middle class living for many black families:
On a metro area level, Boston has an approximately 30% higher COL compared to the Philly area. Admittedly, that would still leave Boston with an edge between 41K v. 58K, but the gap would close dramatically.
No it's not the best. But the ratio of 17 to 2 is indicative of something IMO, it's just a huge gap and honestly, it would make sense. Black people in Boston are probably more likely to be middle or upper class simply because of the expense that comes with living here-that doesn't seem too far fetched. And if the median is 58k that includes all the poor and working-class folks- What are the middle-class black families making? The ones whose children pepper private and suburban schools all over the Boston Area, especially along the southern part.
The same goes for Philadelphia of course but 41k is just such an abnormally low starting point compared to most major metros-that it's a bit of a red flag. I'm not surprised the COL on a metro level was slightly in Boston favor, the entire place just has a more polished vibe and I say this as someone who admittedly has seen much of the nicer parts of the Philly Area, but the amount that's worse than anything in Eastern MA is honestly?? shocking and uncomfortable when you're first getting to see the place. You come to see past that and understand that that is part of "affordability". Its not all that makes an area affordable but it's definitely a part of it and your tolerance for that is based off where you were raised.
Coatesville-based of it's C-D profile i just looked at and what you showed me- seems socioeconomically similar to Lynn when adjusted for COL. Those street view images were pleasant and Malden-esque (PA style) but the child poverty and poverty rate is alarming to say the very least. I once saw a Rip Hamilton mini-doc and it went to his neighborhood in Coatesville and it wasn't looking too hot.
In terms of NYC suburbs on the NY side that would fit much of the criteria, I’d say White Plains and parts of New Rochelle for bigger, more urban suburbs. Tuckahoe, Pelham and Nyack for smaller, walkable communities with good schools that have a decent/good mix of students.
I believe the OP had an opportunity to work in Farmingdale not too long ago. This could have been an area to look into, as it isn't too far from there.
Among others...Something to keep in mind is that Syracuse's black percentage from 1980-2010 doubled from 15.5% to 31.1%(black alone and in combination non-Hispanic). So, this is a city that has seen its black population grow: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...cityid=3673000 and in turn, political/leadership representation has grown.
As for the Say Yes to Education Program, which is the bolded information and could apply to anyone, Buffalo also has this scholarship program citywide. https://sayyestoeducation.org/where-we-work/
So, if you go with the city of Buffalo, you have plenty of non private options and all would allow you to qualify for the scholarship program. Some that go private may go with city schools such as Canisius(all male, good Football program), Bishop Timon-St. Jude in South Buffalo, The Nichols School, Nardin(girls), Mount Mercy(girls), Academy of the Sacred Heart(girls) or if they go outside of the city schools such as The Park School(very good Boys Basketball program), Cardinal O'Hara in Tonawanda(very good Girls Basketball program), St. Joe's in Kenmore(boys, good Football program), St. Francis(boys, also known for Football program) and St. Mary's in Lancaster.
As for the city in relation to the thread, I'd say that North Buffalo, Elmwood Village, Parkside, Central Park(neighborhood), the NE corner of the city(parts of University/University Heights, Kensington Heights), Linwood and parts of the Allentown and Hamlin Park neighborhoods would have a presence of such families. Hamlin Park is actually a historically designated neighborhood with a long history of having a black middle class, with some streets retaining that character better than others: https://buffaloah.com/h/hamln/hamlin.html
Nearby Parkside across Main Street is another historic style neighborhood with a long time and visible black middle class due to the neighbors standing firm in staying the neighborhood versus leaving: https://parksidebuffalo.org/index.php
The eastern half of these middle class census tracts cover much of the neighborhood(in between Delaware and Main) and it is also very close to Elmwood Village: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...t-169-erie-ny/
Keep in mind that this is a city with around 100,000 black residents, give or take/who you include(about 36-40% of the city) and quite a bit of black people in leadership positions(mayor, police chief, school superintendent, city council president(also a prominent pastor in the city), a deputy fire commissioner, President of Buffalo State College(about 33% of students are black), etc.
Once things open up, you are less than 100 miles from Downtown Toronto and for the family, there's Niagara Falls, Darien Lake amusement park, historical sites, etc.
If you want suburbs, Eggertsville in Amherst(Amherst Central SD, very good schools), Cleveland Hill in Cheektowaga(Cleveland Hill SD, solid schools), the Sweet Home SD in Amherst(solid/good schools), Cheektowaga Central SD(solid schools) and Maryvale SD in Cheektowaga(solid schools) are suburbs with higher black populations that others. Williamsville SD is arguably the area's top SD and has historically been another suburban SD where some athletes/coaches/professionals have lived, with the zones for South and North Highs having more of a presence. Some go with the Kenmore-Tonawanda SD, with Kenmore West having more of a presence historically; Cheektowaga-Sloan and West Seneca Schools as well. Lackawanna is a steel town that has had a long time and quite visible black population that is largely concentrated on its west side(known for having some very good Football teams at times). Ironically, a lot of the Bills players live near the stadium/facility in the Southtowns(Orchard Park and Hamburg) south of the city, while most of these listed suburbs are North/NE/East of the city.
So, in terms of Northeastern cites it goes as such by state:
MA-Boston and Framingham
CT-Bloomfield
PA-Chester, Aliquippa, Farrell(in between Pittsburgh and Youngstown OH), Carlisle, Yeadon, Duquesne, Wilkinsburg, Braddock, Norristown(no mayor, but council president), Darby and Coatesville(city manager and council president, no mayor)
NJ-Newark, Camden, Salem, East Orange, Hillside, Plainfield, Union, Irvington, Orange, Maplewood, Montclair, Linden, Roselle, Lawnside, Atlantic City, Burlington, Glassboro and Pleasantville
NY-Buffalo, Rochester, Ithaca, Hudson, Newburgh, Mount Vernon, Peekskill and South Floral Park. Bronx and Brooklyn borough presidents are similar.
I hope she does well, decides to seek a full term of her own, and gets elected mayor in her own right. If Mel King is still around, I'm sure he's heartened to hear this news. (I campaigned for the man who would have been the city's first Black mayor had Ray Flynn, a Harvard-educated son of Southie, not beaten him in 1981.) If not, he's no doubt smiling from above.
Oh, and in passing, glad to see that one of the city's best public schools is named for its first Black School Committee member, who won election to that body in the late 1970s in part because a lot of Irish-American voters voted for him based on his surname.
There's a bit of evidence of asleep-at-the-wheel editing in the story: it refers to the election of the City Council that made her its President as an expression of a desire for major change on the part of the Boston electorate, finding it noteworthy that it had "a first-ever female majority of women."
I would hope that it didn't have a male majority of women, or a female majority of men.
So, in terms of Northeastern cites it goes as such by state:
MA-Boston and Framingham
CT-Bloomfield
PA-Chester, Aliquippa, Farrell(in between Pittsburgh and Youngstown OH), Carlisle, Yeadon, Duquesne, Wilkinsburg, Braddock, Norristown(no mayor, but council president), Darby and Coatesville(city manager and council president, no mayor)
NJ-Newark, Camden, Salem, East Orange, Hillside, Plainfield, Union, Irvington, Orange, Maplewood, Montclair, Linden, Roselle, Lawnside, Atlantic City, Burlington, Glassboro and Pleasantville
NY-Buffalo, Rochester, Ithaca, Hudson, Newburgh, Mount Vernon, Peekskill and South Floral Park. Bronx and Brooklyn borough presidents are similar.
Any others I'm forgetting about?
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