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I saw that PhillyPD didn't update the site yet. It is 1 or 2 higher now.
Anyway, Chicago @ 244. Just 2 or 3 weeks ago Chicago was exactly 50 ahead of Philly. Now it's 75 ahead. Chicago just has these quick big bursts where it just ammasses large numbers of murders. Until Chicago stops letting that happen, it's just never gonna get close to going under 400 homicides like it was within arms reach of in 2013 and 2014. And as long as Chicago keeps having these weekends with 10, 15, and even 25 murders like we saw recently, it will continue to get the bad attention I wish I could say it doesn't deserve. And if Chicago is having problems with negative growth now, well I don't think having the reputation as America's most murderous city is going to help any.
I would really like to see Chicago flourish and become a true global city with 3 million people again. They have to actually try though to accomplish this, because we all know Chicago isn't just naturally more dangerous than it was in 2014, the city just isn't checking crime like they did just a few years ago. I'm beginning to think this is just the way Chicago has to be now, because this is the way the city's government wants it to be.
Edit : 3 people were just killed in Philly so it's 172 now. A 42 and 25 year old in West Philly and a 21 year old in North Philly.
Last edited by KoNgFooCj; 06-08-2020 at 01:06 AM..
It's looking like the city could just break the 400 mark this year, since it's right in line with 2007's 390. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it reaches just over 400 and they purposely lower the number to keep it under 400. I just think Philly's like that. I think Philly only got 248 in 2015 from large amounts of police brutality and screwing with numbers. The mayor and police commissioner no doubt wanted to justify their cause.
It's looking like the city could just break the 400 mark this year, since it's right in line with 2007's 390. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it reaches just over 400 and they purposely lower the number to keep it under 400. I just think Philly's like that. I think Philly only got 248 in 2015 from large amounts of police brutality and screwing with numbers. The mayor and police commissioner no doubt wanted to justify their cause.
You're right, we're at 174 now, they've updated it. We're 3 ahead than in 2007.
In regards to numbers being doctored, here's a few that possibly support your theory.
1990: 505 homicides
1991: 450
1998:340
1999: 335
2000: 325
2008 and 2012 finished with the exact same totals. 391
I wonder what the odds are of that happening in a city over 1m people.
It's looking like the city could just break the 400 mark this year, since it's right in line with 2007's 390. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it reaches just over 400 and they purposely lower the number to keep it under 400. I just think Philly's like that. I think Philly only got 248 in 2015 from large amounts of police brutality and screwing with numbers. The mayor and police commissioner no doubt wanted to justify their cause.
To play devils advocate, there are some extreme views to "defund the police", not sure what exactly that entails, but how do cities address crime and defund the police? It is impossible for large amounts of people (rich or poor) to live harmoniously, therefore law enforcement is a necessary part of life.
I take the approach of police re-organization, new methods or recruitment, mental health checks, community outreach, specialized training, more rigorous training, etc. but in order for large police departments to make those types of changes, defunding will make that hard to accomplish.
Finally, to address your point of faking statistics, I have not seen any evidence of Philadelphia officials lying on murder counts, and during the Nutter / Ramsey years (when the murder rate dipped), that was a totally different group of leaders when compared to Kenney, Outlaw and now Krasner. Kenney doesn't put his foot down (though he is smart), Outlaw is in over her head, and Krasner thinks he is a social worker...
Maybe I am looking into your statement too deeply, but if any other major city posted a steady drop in homicides for a set of years you would believe it, yet in Philadelphia's case its a lie?
Does New York lie about their states too? DC? LA?
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Bad year for Macon, GA. We're not even halfway through the year yet and it has already exceeded the total for last year. The population is much smaller than Atlanta as well.
To play devils advocate, there are some extreme views to "defund the police", not sure what exactly that entails, but how do cities address crime and defund the police? It is impossible for large amounts of people (rich or poor) to live harmoniously, therefore law enforcement is a necessary part of life.
I take the approach of police re-organization, new methods or recruitment, mental health checks, community outreach, specialized training, more rigorous training, etc. but in order for large police departments to make those types of changes, defunding will make that hard to accomplish.
Finally, to address your point of faking statistics, I have not seen any evidence of Philadelphia officials lying on murder counts, and during the Nutter / Ramsey years (when the murder rate dipped), that was a totally different group of leaders when compared to Kenney, Outlaw and now Krasner. Kenney doesn't put his foot down (though he is smart), Outlaw is in over her head, and Krasner thinks he is a social worker...
Maybe I am looking into your statement too deeply, but if any other major city posted a steady drop in homicides for a set of years you would believe it, yet in Philadelphia's case its a lie?
Does New York lie about their states too? DC? LA?
Maybe they do. I wasn't fully serious. Just in a city like Philly where homicides haven't hit 400 since 2006, perhaps certain city officials wouldn't want things to look as bad as they really are.
Bad year for Macon, GA. We're not even halfway through the year yet and it has already exceeded the total for last year. The population is much smaller than Atlanta as well.
Wow and I consider Atlanta's murder total to be high.
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