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Old 10-21-2015, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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My mistake.....Are those different SE Queens zips than the ones I listed except for 11412? This is what I saw for 11412: 11412 Zip Code Income and Careers - USA.comâ„¢

11412 Zip Code - USA.comâ„¢
A couple are.

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Here are some of the zip codes in SE Queens: 11411 Zip Code - USA.comâ„¢

11412 Zip Code - USA.comâ„¢

11413 Zip Code - USA.comâ„¢

11429 Zip Code - USA.comâ„¢

According to this info, these adjacent zip codes would roughly be 89% Black and have a Black median household income of about $76,500 with around 116,000 people.
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:12 PM
 
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Do you have info for zips 11411 and 11422?
11411: 11411 Zip Code - USA.comâ„¢
11411 Zip Code Income and Careers - USA.comâ„¢

11422: 11422 Zip Code - USA.comâ„¢
11422 Zip Code Income and Careers - USA.comâ„¢

I can't get the educational attainment info.

Another thing with median household income is that if someone else lives at a residence outside of a parent/parents that also work like a teenager, grandparent, etc., they are included in the household income. There are other things that can have an effect on median household income in an area like college students that live in off campus housing(college towns/area neighborhoods tend to or can have high poverty percentages for this reason) and retirees, among other situations.

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Old 10-21-2015, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Do you have info for zips 11411 and 11422?
It's only giving me median earnings by gender for these zips (Kanye shrug). Keep in mind that this is for full-time workers. So excluded from these stats is the 19-year college student working part-time at the local Starbucks.

11411: $50,225/$52,951 (8.6%)
11422: $52,967/$45,952 (9.6%)

And for educational attainment.

11411: 31.3%
11422: 30.5%

And for the 20012 zip code (Shepherd Park/Takoma, DC).

20012: 47.1%

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Old 10-21-2015, 04:21 PM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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So, is it a matter of that area having a more diverse Black population? I forgot I revised that post later: https://www.city-data.com/forum/41515536-post1264.html
Partly since back in the day (way back) that area was mainly African-American and Jewish and mostly owner occupied. Now there are more immigrants, but I wouldn't say they've had that much effect on the culture of the area.

Another difference is the number of lower income renters. Most of them seem to have moved in from Brooklyn and the Bronx and are renting more so than owning. With lower incomes come less ammenities and businesses that cater more so to that crowd.

Also lost is the sense of community. Like I said, that area was one of the first areas where Black folks could buy homes freely in NYC and it started opening up to them after WWII was over. Many of those folks came up from the South together (in a lot cases, like my grandfather, entire families), went off to the War together, and came back and worked together. It created a real tight knit, almost small town, community that held together for decades. I remember going up for visits as a kid and my father would stop at basically every house for blocks saying hello to people.

Going back now, almost every one connected to that era is now gone along with their descendants who have for the most part moved away. I suppose that is natural, but the amount of time it took for it to occur was quite interesting to witness.
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Arlington
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From this, if any area or county is going to be a "benchmark," I think it should be PG.
I agree with you. I've considered both of these as a launching point for a project. It seems PG county blacks are doing the best in the country. It's a close call though and both distance themselves from other metros. I'd still choose Atlanta to launch since its more business friendly and blacks there seem to have a more entrepreneurial spirit.

According to blackdemographics.com:

As far as black people go....

Educational Attainment:
High school or higher: Atl: 88% DC: 90%
Bachelors: Atl: 28% DC: 32%

Responsible for grandchildren (not sure how they determined this but it speaks to personal responsibility):
Atl: 47% DC: 41%

Unemployed:
Atl 13% DC 9%

Income: (cost of living adjustment via bankrate.com)
Median Household Income: Atl $40,723 (equiv of $61,022 in DC) | DC: $63,346 (equiv of $42273 in atl)
Median income for families: Atl $45,705 (equiv of $68,487 in DC) | DC: $74,933 (equiv of $50,000 in atl)

Poverty
All black people: Atl 24%, DC 13%
Black Families: Atl 20%, DC 10%

Home Ownership of occupied housing units
Atl: 49%. DC: 51%

1 or more vehicles per family
Atl: 90% DC 83%
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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It's only giving me median earnings by gender for these zips (Kanye shrug). Keep in mind that this is for full-time workers. So excluded from these stats is the 19-year college student working part-time at the local Starbucks.

11411: $50,225/$52,951 (8.6%)
11422: $52,967/$45,952 (9.6%)

And for educational attainment.

11411: 31.3%
11422: 30.5%

And for the 20012 zip code (Shepherd Park/Takoma, DC).

20012: 47.1%
That Shepard Park zip is the one at the "peak" within DC and next to Silver Spring? I believe it has the most affluent predominately Black census tract in the country by median household income.

I wonder how the zip that the Sequoyah neighborhood in Oakland is in regards to some of the info? I wonder because I believe it has the most affluent predominately Black, urban census tract on the West Coast.
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Arlington
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Big difference in poverty but i'm guessing its closer than what it appears to be. They must have taken the national poverty level into account and since blacks in DC are paid more if u adjust for col, they'd be in poverty in atlanta
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:59 PM
 
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If this is the case, then why is DeKalb County praised so much?
Two reasons: the recession has much to do with Dekalb's slide as the Atlanta area overall was hit harder than the DC area, and Blacks are spreading out more in metro Atlanta.

Although it's not majority Black, the real sleeper here is probably Fayette County, GA which has a Black median household income well above the state average and even above the White median household income figure. Fayette County, GA Income and Careers - USA.comâ„¢

Also Henry County, while not majority Black, has a rapidly rising Black population and has a median household income above the statewide figure. Henry County, GA Income and Careers - USA.comâ„¢

In recent years, Rockdale County has gained a Black plurality and has a Black median household income above the statewide figure and within $3,000 of the White median household income figure. Rockdale County, GA Income and Careers - USA.comâ„¢

And while Clayton County's overall household median income is below the statewide figure by just a few thousand dollars, its Black household median income is $3,000 higher than the White median household income figure. Clayton County, GA Income and Careers - USA.comâ„¢

In short, within the past decade or so, the Black wealth has become more dispersed throughout metro Atlanta.
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Old 10-21-2015, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Part of Atlanta actually extends into Dekalb County. That part is obviously rougher and poorer than other parts of Dekalb. It's a bit like PG County in that regard.

I don't think income gives you a full picture. As I mentioned earlier, West Indian families are a bit different from typical American families in that it's not uncommon for a grown ass man with a good paying job to be living with his parents well into his 30s (along with other extended family). Consequently, West Indian households tend to have more income earners. This could have an upward biasing effect on household income.

A somewhat different angle on this is to compare how much individuals are actually earning.
Actually the portion of the city of Atlanta that extends into Dekalb County is actually quite wealthy and white with small pockets of poverty. The poverty in Dekalb County is due to many of the apartment complexes in south and central Dekalb County. There are also some rough neighborhoods around Glenwood and Candler Roads.
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Old 10-21-2015, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Lots of gentrification going on in Atlanta especially on the east side in Atlanta.
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