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Jimmie: If you have the slightest inkling of what it means to be IN Christ the Lord, you are on the way to grasping what Christ the Lord ultimately accomplishes in His creation!
"God exalted him and multiplied his greatness! He has now been given the greatest of all names! The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm. And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,” bringing glory and honor to God, his Father!" ~TPT
There are mentally ill people among us for various reasons, brother. You make a serious error to pretend that makes us the same as our brutal savage ancestors who scourged and crucified Christ, threw their babies into fires alive to appease God, and stoned each other to death for trivial violations of what they thought God wanted.
The Bible teaches that it is not mental illness that is the cause of sin in the human race; but that rather sin was passed down from Adam and Eve in the DNA because they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The very first sons of Adam and Eve bore this out: one of them murdered the other. So, Cain was mentally ill? The descendants of Cain intermingled with the descendants of Seth so the entire human race must be mentally ill!
However mental illness is not the issue; but sin.
And sin is the reality for every human being that has not been redeemed by the blood of Jesus and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.
1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Jer 17:9, The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Rom 3:23, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
I know that you have a paradigm that does reject certain teachings of the Bible.
But it is time for you to stop pretending that you are a Bible-believing Christian or that your god is the Jesus who is defined by biblical doctrines.
Stop pretending to be a Christian.
You are not a Christian as long as you continue to reject certain biblical passages.
For as long as you do so, your name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life (Revelation 22:18-19).
Also this snippet is useful for understanding aion:
'Let me state the dilemma clearly. Aion means either "forever" as its necessary, or at least its usual significance, or it doesn't. If it does, the following difficulties arise at once:
1. If aion means an endless period, how can it have a plural?
2. How did such phrases come to be repeatedly occurring in Scripture where aion is added to aion, if aion is of itself infi¬nite?
3. Why does the Scripture speak of the aion or aions and beyond? How can anything be beyond eternity?
4. Why do we repeatedly read of the end of the aion?
5. Finally, if aion is infinite, why is it applied over and over to
things that are finite?'
Key point:
THERE IS NO LITERAL LAKE, AND THERE IS NO LITERAL FIRE. Jesus Christ and His Body of Saints ARE THE LAKE OF JUDGING, PURIFYING, CONSUMING SPIRITUAL FIRE!!!
Universalism is false teaching that people who reject sound doctrine gravitate towards with itching ears.
Thankyou for your daily itching ears reference. I hope you and your ears are well...
In the meantime, this is a really good set of verses to meditate on:
Matt 5
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
We are commanded to love our enemies so that we would be perfect as our Father in Heaven.
But do you want to know the wild part of how Calvinists interpret these verses? They say God only loves everyone in the sense that He sends rain for them (on the unjust). Otherwise He hates his enemies (since obviously He predestined them for hell...)
Thankyou for your daily itching ears reference. I hope you and your ears are well...
In the meantime, this is a really good set of verses to meditate on:
Matt 5
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
We are commanded to love our enemies so that we would be perfect as our Father in Heaven.
But do you want to know the wild part of how Calvinists interpret these verses? They say God only loves everyone in the sense that He sends rain for them (on the unjust). Otherwise He hates his enemies (since obviously He predestined them for hell...)
I am not a Calvinist (at least I am not a hyper-Calvinist);
While I do not deny the reality of such passages as Psalms 5:5-6, 7:11, and 11:5-6.
God's predestination to hell (Jude 1:3-4) is according to foreknowledge (Romans 8:29-30, 1 Peter 1:2) of choices that certain people will make as concerning false teachings and not only their acceptance of them but their preaching of them.
I do believe that all that go to hell were predestined to hell; for God is outside of time and sees the end from the beginning. And this applies even to those who will be in hell who, in their teaching, did not turn the grace of God into lasciviousness (Jude 1:3-4); although the verses on predestination to hell (referenced above) do refer to those who turn the grace of God into lasciviousness in their teaching.
For those who end up in hell, their works are identified in such passages as Galatians 5:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
Notice that in the latter passage, those who are unrighteous shall not, as shall never, enter the kingdom of God.
That is a flat out denial of Universalism and even settles the issue for me.
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Key point:
THERE IS NO LITERAL LAKE, AND THERE IS NO LITERAL FIRE. Jesus Christ and His Body of Saints ARE THE LAKE OF JUDGING, PURIFYING, CONSUMING SPIRITUAL FIRE!!!
L. Ray Smith grasps the scope of reconciliation in His fire.
The Lake has divinity encompassing it. Theion is rooted in Theos, the God of fire.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE COVERING SHELTER OF THE WHOLE WORLD
Because of the gross misunderstanding of almost all people concerning the lake of fire, I would like to draw our attention to three words found in the passage quoted above. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which BURNS with FIRE and BRIMSTONE: which is the second death."
The word BURN means combustion, or to consume.
To consume does not mean to annihilate, for there is no such thing as annihilation in the absolute sense. When fire consumes a log in your fireplace it does not destroy any of the elements within the log, it merely changes their form. Combustion is the process by which chemicals combine to form new chemicals. For example: a tree might be cut down, sawed into fire wood, and burned. When the wood is burning the heat causes the chemicals of which the wood is composed to vaporize, mixing with the oxygen in the air to form new chemicals, including water and the gas carbon dioxide. So what was formerly a tree is no longer identified as the form of a tree, but the substance thereof is now simply CHANGED into a DIFFERENT FORM and exists in its new form within the atmosphere as water, carbon dioxide, etc.
Thus, to burn, means to CHANGE.
Furthermore, it is interesting to note that fire does not burn down; it always burns up; it seeks the highest level. And all that it consumes "goes up in smoke," to exist in a new form in a higher dimension. Even if you take a pan of water and place it over a fire, before long the water will take on the property of the fire and will begin to go up in steam.
To burn means to CHANGE, and the change is always UPWARD in its motion.
Because of the gross misunderstanding of almost all people concerning the lake of fire, I would like to draw our attention to three words found in the passage quoted above. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which BURNS with FIRE and BRIMSTONE: which is the second death."
The word BURN means combustion, or to consume.
To consume does not mean to annihilate, for there is no such thing as annihilation in the absolute sense. When fire consumes a log in your fireplace it does not destroy any of the elements within the log, it merely changes their form. Combustion is the process by which chemicals combine to form new chemicals. For example: a tree might be cut down, sawed into fire wood, and burned. When the wood is burning the heat causes the chemicals of which the wood is composed to vaporize, mixing with the oxygen in the air to form new chemicals, including water and the gas carbon dioxide. So what was formerly a tree is no longer identified as the form of a tree, but the substance thereof is now simply CHANGED into a DIFFERENT FORM and exists in its new form within the atmosphere as water, carbon dioxide, etc.
Thus, to burn, means to CHANGE.
Furthermore, it is interesting to note that fire does not burn down; it always burns up; it seeks the highest level. And all that it consumes "goes up in smoke," to exist in a new form in a higher dimension. Even if you take a pan of water and place it over a fire, before long the water will take on the property of the fire and will begin to go up in steam.
To burn means to CHANGE, and the change is always UPWARD in its motion.
Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:49, So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Mat 13:50, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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