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Old 08-26-2022, 06:34 AM
 
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It is the fishermen’s job to catch the fish, not the fishes job to be caught. No fish ever wants to be caught, but caught they are anyway
Even a particular, individual fish does not escape:


Matt 17:27 [Jesus said to Peter] Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

 
Old 08-26-2022, 05:45 PM
 
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Even a particular, individual fish does not escape:


Matt 17:27 [Jesus said to Peter] Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
 
Old 08-26-2022, 05:46 PM
 
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Origen calls apokatastasis also "palingenisis" (παλιγγενεσία) and declares that it will take place in Christ (ἐν Χριστῷ) at the end of the time, when he will sit on the throne of his glory, and it depends only on Christ, who will make those involved "pure to the highest degree." ~ Ilaria Ramelli
 
Old 08-27-2022, 06:18 AM
 
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Universalism is a false teaching since it denies that some of mankind are in unbelief and shall be punished by the Lord, because they obey not the Gospel, wherein others, the believers Christ shall be glorified in them. 2 Thess 1:8-10

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

The unbelievers who dont obey the Gospel are men and women who are under the wrath of God Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
 
Old 08-27-2022, 07:16 AM
 
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Belief is free, believe whatever you want. Universalism, one of many varied tales spun by mankind. You just have to admire the imagination of mankind and it's invented logic to appease it's own arrogance. That's why the Surprise Hell Package gets imputed to many. Read your Bible like your eternal life depends on it.

John 17:3
Joh 17:3* And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.*
 
Old 08-27-2022, 07:36 AM
 
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Belief is free, believe whatever you want. Universalism, one of many varied tales spun by mankind. You just have to admire the imagination of mankind and it's invented logic to appease it's own arrogance. That's why the Surprise Hell Package gets imputed to many. Read your Bible like your eternal life depends on it.

John 17:3
Joh 17:3* And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.*


Welcome to the "varied tale" of Yah's purpose.

"He pre-destined us to be adopted by Himself as sons through Jesus Christ--such being His gracious will and pleasure-- to the praise of the splendour of His grace with which He has enriched us in the beloved One. It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. In Him we have been made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will, so that we should be devoted to the extolling of His glorious attributes--we who were the first to fix our hopes on Christ. ~R.F.Weymouth
 
Old 08-27-2022, 08:01 AM
 
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Belief is free, believe whatever you want. Universalism, one of many varied tales spun by mankind. You just have to admire the imagination of mankind and it's invented logic to appease it's own arrogance. That's why the Surprise Hell Package gets imputed to many. Read your Bible like your eternal life depends on it.

John 17:3
Joh 17:3* And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.*
The only surprise package will be your own. No one is saying there is no hell. Hell is remorse for the bad we have done (and haven't repented from) <--important). Seventeen percent of NDEs are negative and guess what, you are judge , jury and executioner and you will judge yourself with zero bias watching your own life review. Don't be too hard on yourself believing God sends MOST people to a place of torment forever....really, forever? Even Dahmner had mercy on his victims after awhile.
 
Old 08-27-2022, 01:29 PM
 
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Belief is free, believe whatever you want. Universalism, one of many varied tales spun by mankind. You just have to admire the imagination of mankind and it's invented logic to appease it's own arrogance. That's why the Surprise Hell Package gets imputed to many. Read your Bible like your eternal life depends on it.

John 17:3
Joh 17:3* And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.*
Lol eternal torment is a pagan idea that you are equating with God.
 
Old 08-27-2022, 02:37 PM
 
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Lol eternal torment is a pagan idea that you are equating with God.
According to who? You? cite the Pagan Religion and the ancient diety. I am well versed in the Ancient mystery religions. So show specifics before you generalize.
 
Old 08-27-2022, 05:07 PM
 
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According to who? You? cite the Pagan Religion and the ancient diety. I am well versed in the Ancient mystery religions. So show specifics before you generalize.
Obviously not well versed.

Plato was probably the first to hold a belief in eternal torment as he held that the soul is immortal, thus when one dies in an unholy state one soul suffers for all eternity in that unholy state. But then again you probably also believe in the pagan concept of the immortal soul.
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