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Yes, however you need to understand how the aorist tense is used when in the subjunctive mood. The aorist tense is punctiliar action, or simple aspect with regards to timing. It's a summary occurrence, if you will. And, the reason it's being expressed in the subjunctive mood is that every person has yet to confess Jesus is Lord.
However, that is not to say it will not happen. For we know it will happen when we read Isa 45:23, the very text that Paul's implicitly using. Especially when reading from the Septuagint Gk text. There, the verbs "bow" (καμψει) and "confess" (εξομολογησεται) are in the future tense, indicative mood. Those are statements of fact. It will happen.
Not true. You're taking the aorist tense and forcing it into a future tense condition, and that's not what the aorist tense is, nor how it's to be understood, within it's given context (Phi 2:9).
Yes, it can be translated as "should" when using the aorist tense with subjunctive mood, but it need not be limited within it's context, as you're doing. A better translation is: "will" bow and "will" confess, as translated by the NAS and NET, here:
The NAS
Phi 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Phi 2:11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The NET
Phi 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow--in heaven and on earth and under the earth--
Phi 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
And, even the Aramaic translation, here:
Phi 2:10 That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth,
Phi 2:11 And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father.
My own personal view is what I gave Charlie24:
Guru: Your outstanding post is greatly appreciated by Rosie.
One of the deep problems for these two kids is they have never been hurt. Our ABBA paves the road into His glory by way of great distress, out of which is born those that follow the Lamb in the withersoever of His mighty strides. The overcomer is the only one not "hurt" by the second death (aka Lake of Fire). They cannot be hurt, they have been hurt over and over and over again; there is nothing left to hurt.
In love's service only wounded soldiers can serve.
Yes, however you need to understand how the aorist tense is used when in the subjunctive mood. The aorist tense is punctiliar action, or simple aspect with regards to timing. It's a summary occurrence, if you will. And, the reason it's being expressed in the subjunctive mood is that every person has yet to confess Jesus is Lord.
However, that is not to say it will not happen. For we know it will happen when we read Isa 45:23, the very text that Paul's implicitly using. Especially when reading from the Septuagint Gk text. There, the verbs "bow" (καμψει) and "confess" (εξομολογησεται) are in the future tense, indicative mood. Those are statements of fact. It will happen.
Not true. You're taking the aorist tense and forcing it into a future tense condition, and that's not what the aorist tense is, nor how it's to be understood, within it's given context (Phi 2:9).
Yes, it can be translated as "should" when using the aorist tense with subjunctive mood, but it need not be limited within it's context, as you're doing. A better translation is: "will" bow and "will" confess, as translated by the NAS and NET, here:
The NAS
Phi 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Phi 2:11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The NET
Phi 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow--in heaven and on earth and under the earth--
Phi 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
And, even the Aramaic translation, here:
Phi 2:10 That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth,
Phi 2:11 And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father.
On the grand and final consummation, when every will shall be subdued to the will of good to all, Jesus Christ will take in hand the resigned chordage of our hearts. He will tune them as so many instruments, and will touch them with the finger of His own divine feelings. Then shall the wisdom, the might, the goodness of our God, become the wisdom, might and goodness of all His intelligent creatures. The happiness of each shall multiply and overflow in the wishes and participation of the happiness of all. The universe shall begin to sound with the song of congratulation, and all voices shall break forth in an eternal hallelujah of praise transcending praise, and glory transcending glory to God and the Lamb. ~Henry Brooke
On the grand and final consummation, when every will shall be subdued to the will of good to all, Jesus Christ will take in hand the resigned chordage of our hearts. He will tune them as so many instruments, and will touch them with the finger of His own divine feelings. Then shall the wisdom, the might, the goodness of our God, become the wisdom, might and goodness of all His intelligent creatures. The happiness of each shall multiply and overflow in the wishes and participation of the happiness of all. The universe shall begin to sound with the song of congratulation, and all voices shall break forth in an eternal hallelujah of praise transcending praise, and glory transcending glory to God and the Lamb. ~Henry Brooke
At-one-ment = Divine Chordage
I just don't understand Rosie, why would Jesus remember to tell us the unbelievers would go to hell, but forgot to tell us how they get out? Doesn't that seem strange to you?
On the grand and final consummation, when every will shall be subdued to the will of good to all, Jesus Christ will take in hand the resigned chordage of our hearts. He will tune them as so many instruments, and will touch them with the finger of His own divine feelings. Then shall the wisdom, the might, the goodness of our God, become the wisdom, might and goodness of all His intelligent creatures. The happiness of each shall multiply and overflow in the wishes and participation of the happiness of all. The universe shall begin to sound with the song of congratulation, and all voices shall break forth in an eternal hallelujah of praise transcending praise, and glory transcending glory to God and the Lamb. ~Henry Brooke
I just don't understand Rosie, why would Jesus remember to tell us the unbelievers would go to hell, but forgot to tell us how they get out? Doesn't that seem strange to you?
I just don't understand Rosie, why would Jesus remember to tell us the unbelievers would go to hell, but forgot to tell us how they get out? Doesn't that seem strange to you?
It is NOT their belief, per se, that is the problem. It is their unrighteousness (lack of agape love) that is the problem. That can be fixed by refining out the dross. The refinement will take time depending on how much there is, but it will definitely NOT be eternal. We will reap EXACTLY what we sow, no more and no less, Charlie. What is this love you have for endless torment????
It is NOT their belief, per se, that is the problem. It is their unrighteousness (lack of agape love) that is the problem. That can be fixed by refining out the dross. The refinement will take time depending on how much there is, but it will definitely NOT be eternal. We will reap EXACTLY what we sow, no more and no less, Charlie. What is this love you have for endless torment????
It's not love, it's called preaching the whole counsel of God.
It's not love, it's called preaching the whole counsel of God.
Have you EVER queried your heart under the guidance of the Holy Spirit of agape love, Charlie??? You can NOT have done so and concluded that endless torment is something God would EVER use for ANY reason.
Have you EVER queried your heart under the guidance of the Holy Spirit of agape love, Charlie??? You can NOT have done so and concluded that endless torment is something God would EVER use for ANY reason.
I had never given that any thought! But now that I think about it, NO, I don't want to try that.
I may end up like you, rejecting the scripture! I wouldn't advise your theology to anyone!
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