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Old 07-10-2013, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Chicago - Logan Square
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"I just remember seeing a group at about 20th and State and. . .I don't remember anything after that," said Sherlock, whose father, great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather were all Chicago police officers......

"He did not have his weapon. . .thank God," his father added.
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:35 PM
 
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And guns are rare in most of Western Europe, where they really don't have any significant problem with gun crime.

I think the most effective argument against gun control is that criminals continue to have guns, since they don't follow laws. But people ignore the fact that criminals have guns because gun control is too localized, and just shifts the marketplace outside of the borders of the control zone.
We can't even keep a full grown, living, breathing Mexican out of the country- we definitely can't secure the border from firearms. A USA without guns is not a reality even if it were constitutionally legal to do so which it isn't and will never be thankfully. Liberal pipe dreams only.
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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LOL...he thought he was safe on 20th and State at midnight with a group of thugs hanging on the corner?
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:23 PM
 
Location: South Chicagoland
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LOL...he thought he was safe on 20th and State at midnight with a group of thugs hanging on the corner?

Reminds me of this: https://www.facebook.com/NotLikingRy...t=feed_comment
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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LOL...he thought he was safe on 20th and State at midnight with a group of thugs hanging on the corner?
Yes, blame the victim.

That's actually where Reggie's is. When a poster here asked about Reggie's, the general consensus is that it was in a safe area. Guess not.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:23 PM
 
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... don't insist...
Kwitcherbitchin.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago - Logan Square
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Nationally, homicides are at the lowest rate in 50 years. Yet the number of firearms is higher than ever - over 300 million. Please explain those facts.
The number of firearms is at an all time high, but the number of households with a firearm has been dropping steadily over the last few decades. It isn't that more people have guns now, fewer do. But those that do have guns have many more. That speaks more to marketing by gun companies than anything else.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:09 PM
 
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Perhaps in a Libertarian version of reality this is true, but society can invoke laws that protect the greater good, and all successful civilizations have always reserved this power. You can't murder someone, even if you as an individual decide this is what is best for you.
A society needs to be Libertarian to empower individuals? That's news to me. I would say all successful civilizations have used the power to invoke laws protecting the greater good judiciously. If your sole concern is the greater good, you have communism, which does not have a great track record.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Bucktown
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Perhaps in a Libertarian version of reality this is true, but society can invoke laws that protect the greater good, and all successful civilizations have always reserved this power.
This isn't quite right. In our country at least, governments are allowed to enact laws that protect the greater good, but this ability has to yield to the rights of individuals coming from the Constitution. In other words, the greater good -- whatever that may be -- has to suffer sometimes so that individual rights can be protected.

In the current framework, guns may pose a hazard to public health, but the right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amdt trumps that safety concern.


"You can't murder someone, even if you as an individual decide this is what is best for you."

Well, duh. As a matter of individual choice, I'm not allowed to murder someone (or rape them, or rob them, etc.). That's because doing so infringes on the victim's rights. But self-defense is an individual choice that doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. If Murderer attempts to kill Victim, and Victim responds by shooting Murderer, Murderer's rights aren't infringed -- he has forfeited those rights when he tried to kill another. And it really couldn't be any other way (can you imagine a society where the victim doesn't have the right to use lethal force to preserve their own life???).
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Yes, blame the victim.

That's actually where Reggie's is. When a poster here asked about Reggie's, the general consensus is that it was in a safe area. Guess not.
Whenever I see a group of people hanging around on the corner or in front of a liquor store I'm on high alert. I assume that they are up to no good or are potential threats. I'm not blaming anyone but the cop did not exercise simple common sense. You would think someone in his profession would know better.
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