Coronavirus (Los Angeles: health, area, distance)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

In the last month, California is 11th out of 50 in new cases per capita. Not total, but per capita. Right above California is Louisiana which has no restrictions to speak of. Right below California is South Carolina which has few restrictions.

And how is Texas doing?

[goodheathen]

I didn't say his opinion is science (nor did I dispute any study). But his opinion is succinct common sense that goes beyond science. Omicron demonstrates it. A significant chunk of society put out of commission with relatively few serious complications (and who knows about Long-Covid) is a society that hardly functions and indirectly hurts people who might be doing everything right. "Life isn't fair," and "We are all in this together." The CDC is just flailing lately and hardly acting scientific, and much of the medical-scientific community is at odds with it.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

As a disclaimer, Im triple vaxxed, wear masks, and have never voted for anyone who isnt a Democrat or left-leaning Libertarian.

But I think were trying too hard to blame one group. Only one actual mutation came from North America and it was from California. Since the vaccine has existed, the mutations have come strictly from third world and developing countries.

Basically, in order to actually stop the virus from mutating, youd have to vaccinate the entire world and do it in a very short time. Not only is that logistically difficult, vaccine skepticism is much higher in places like Africa and developing countries than it is here. In the end, we cant force people to become vaccinated. A link to this claim is below:

https://africacdc.org/download/covid...country-study/

Now we have Omicron. We can show with extreme clarity that it spreads just as fast within places that have high restrictions vs. those with light restrictions. The only exception is those countries in full lockdown. You can shut down a bar or a restaurant but you cant keep people from gathering in their own homes. Literally the only restriction that would stop the spread are lockdowns and we know those will never happen here.

Black-and-white thinking with an anti-restriction slant. Few people can and ever do, let alone regularly, have home gatherings with as many people as are sharing air in a bar or restaurant.

A rather simple alternative to lockdown for future mutations is to isolate as a country. Let few people in or out and do lengthy, closely-monitored quarantine on the arrivals.

I honestly think it goes back to the need to find someone to blame because so many are angry. Its why Christians (and the other Abrahamic religions) invented Satan. There is bad in this world and they needed someone to blame it on. The unvaccinated are more responsible for hospitalizations and we can certainly lay much of that at their feet. However, in terms of spread, its every bit the vaccinated as unvaccinated.

Yes into maybe at the end.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

And how is Texas doing?

About the same as California since the beginning of the pandemic. We’ve had about 6.4% more cases per capita than California since the beginning.

Right now, better than California. Our case rates are lower than yours for now.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

And how is Texas doing?

Much better than CA apparently

Cases per 100K last 14-days
Texas: 181
CA: 270

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by sav858

Oh the irony....

God forbid people try to take protective measures to keep the community safe rather than a free for all.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by sav858

Much better than CA apparently

Cases per 100K last 14-days
Texas: 181
CA: 270

Not really.

California's confirmed death rate per 100k: 196.2; Last 14 days: 2.7
Texas's confirmed death rate per 100k: 275.4; Last 14 days: 4.1

https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...king-outbreak/

[sav858]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Not really.

California's confirmed death rate per 100k: 196.2; Last 14 days: 2.7
Texas's confirmed death rate per 100k: 275.4; Last 14 days: 4.1

https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...king-outbreak/

You asked about cases, not deaths. Nice pivot.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

However, in terms of spread, its every bit the vaccinated as unvaccinated.

We've seen evidence now that the vaccinated do not spread to the same extent. Now, they still do spread and I agree with you on this. That's why people should be wearing KN95 masks everywhere in a crowded public setting. That's also why people shouldn't be going to large gatherings. I'm not saying that the unvaccinated are 100% to blame. We all have our responsibilities here. But, the fact that being unvaccinated increases the spread along with an enhanced risk of severe symptoms (which clog the hospitals) means that this can't be ignored. It is a multi faceted approach needed to stem the tide of omicron and yeah, we should point a good portion of the blame on the unvaccinated.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by sav858

You asked about cases, not deaths. Nice pivot.

Aren't you the one who claims that cases don't matter now?