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Old 08-13-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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I will acknowledge that their summary method of presenting the potential implications of what is said does make it appear that some people are saying things they themselves may not have extrapolated. That is a just rhetorical method that shortcuts drawing out the implications in an otherwise detailed and laborious way. I suggest you explore the implications for yourself rather than reject them because of the rhetoric employed in presenting them.


Truly a masterpiece! Translation for those who don't have time for all the extra words, meant to impress and/or obfuscate:

"Yes, the video that supports my idea is intentionally deceptive."
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:58 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Why do you regard pointing out that everyone who doesn't agree with you is not stupid as an attack? You are the one who routinely insults others when they reject your arguments with something along the lines of them just not being intelligent enough to grasp it .

And your achievements are all your subjective opinion. If you have hard results, please post them . But all we see here are wild speculations masquerading as some sort of spiritual science .

I actually am empathetic towards you. I have somewhat of a non dualist view of things, along the lines of Advaita Vedanta Hinduism. But there are no facts to support this . And this is where you go wrong, trying to invent and claim scientific evidence where none exists .
Yes, that is a point. There's a lot that Mystic thinks that we can be quite cool with. But we get this constant insistence and arm twisting that we must accept what he says as fact (ignore him if he protests that he doesn't - everyone knows that he does) and any objections are dismissed on the broad grounds that everyone else is stupid, uneducated or has a fear of the idea (ignore him if he protests that he doesn't - everyone knows that he does) and it doesn't impress at all that he praises any foolishness or deceit that he thinks he can use, like a piece of quotemined God -peddling propaganda or Goldie's provocative nonsense.

i won't even go over the level of hubris (projected onto all his opponents) needed to hijack half the threads on the board when he has his own very own personal thread where he can fart all day without having to open a window, and yet he has to derail one thread in five with the tosh that had him savaged repeatedly. I can only say with John Charity Smith 'Indeed i do not admire, rather I am inclined to wonder'.
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Old 08-13-2018, 01:07 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Truly a masterpiece! Translation for those who don't have time for all the extra words, meant to impress and/or obfuscate:

"Yes, the video that supports my idea is intentionally deceptive."
You got the Theist -English dictionary, too I must say I myself translated rather as 'True, these people are lying, but ignore that, start with the lies and try to make yourself believe them'.
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Old 08-13-2018, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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You got the Theist -English dictionary, too I must say I myself translated rather as 'True, these people are lying, but ignore that, start with the lies and try to make yourself believe them'.
It's the age we live in. Used cars have morphed into "pre-owned vehicles" which of course makes them far more valuable. Wells Fargo ran into a shipload of trouble due to fraudulent practices, and on the tv ad where they are trying to minimize the damage, all their wrong doing is summed with "..then we lost your trust."

Managers of teams don't get fired any longer, they reach "mutual agreements to seek other opportunities." My cable company had a massive foulup a few years back when their gigabyte recording meters went blooey and they started billing all their customers for overusage. It took the entire summer to get that straightened out so that the customers were no longer getting cheated. The cable company then sent out a general apology letter which read "Due to the challenged reports on byte usage, Suddenlink has decided to not bill customers for their over usage during the months of...." Real generous of them, wasn't it? Not to charge us for their massive errors.

It is hard to get things right when all problems are viewed as public relations problems.
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:01 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Very good. Yes, Never before was 'concepts before definitions' so valuable. Don't just look at the words - get the concept behind then, and then you can see what they should have said if they'd used plain English.
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:44 AM
 
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I live in a community where there are a lot of Mainstream and Evangelical Protestants. "God works in mysterious ways", they say. In fact, he works so mysteriously that he evades all our senses and logic. But, he wants nothing more than for us to know him.

For a Buddhist agnostic, this makes for great practice. It offends my logic but I have learned "to let go" much more freely.
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I live in a community where there are a lot of Mainstream and Evangelical Protestants. "God works in mysterious ways", they say. In fact, he works so mysteriously that he evades all our senses and logic. But, he wants nothing more than for us to know him.

For a Buddhist agnostic, this makes for great practice. It offends my logic but I have learned "to let go" much more freely.
I agree.

That was one of the main things that turned me away from christianity and toward Buddhism, where what we are expected to do is test wisdom for ourselves.
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Old 08-19-2018, 06:01 PM
 
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I agree.

That was one of the main things that turned me away from christianity and toward Buddhism, where what we are expected to do is test wisdom for ourselves.

That's the thing: Test wisdom for yourself.

You cannot argue with fools.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:56 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Yes, test wisdom for yourself. But how is the right way to do it? Haven't we heard the believers say that they have been studying and researching for thirty or forty years and they have become convinced that Jesus is Lord. Obviously, they did their research. They just didn't do it right.
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Old 08-20-2018, 04:08 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Yes, test wisdom for yourself. But how is the right way to do it? Haven't we heard the believers say that they have been studying and researching for thirty or forty years and they have become convinced that Jesus is Lord. Obviously, they did their research. They just didn't do it right.
I find many Christians that say this have just looked at Christian web sites. Many of these sites avoid certain facts while misrepresenting others. Other sites use arguments that sound good at the first look, but not when they are actually investigated.

It is rare you will get a Christian on the internet who has done indepth work, and those that do will ignore all evidence against them as 'bias from atheist web sites'.
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