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Old 09-13-2014, 12:07 AM
 
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Fairbanks already see true night / darker than astronomical twilight
Equinox in 10 days
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Old 09-13-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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CFSv2 is on crack....





Bastardi explains that the US model is putting a trough right over the North Pacific which has well above average SST's and it doesn't make sense.


He agrees with the Japanese model which puts a trough to the east of that, and thus pumps a ridge over the Northwestern US, and ultimately promotes a trough over the eastern two thirds of CONUS



^^

Again, I think that the Japanese model is right. We will be colder than average, but the anomalies out east will be even greater than the Midwest... Boston/NYC/Philly maybe even DC will see one heck of a winter (by their standards), as well as some pretty impressive snows. IMHO.


The Jamstec puts most of the US in an icebox this winter.... Much like last winter. I don't know if it will be THAT cold.


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Old 09-14-2014, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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I made this in 2011...

Weak El Nino with Warm PDO combo gives State College PA 5 feet of snow on average.
Only 4 times since 1950 this combo has happened.

69-1970: 89.9”
76-1977: 40.8”
77-1978: 98.2”
04-2005: 36.2”

The least amount of snow on average is with moderate Nino and cold PDO.

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Old 09-14-2014, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Northern Ireland
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Well no winter or even autumn weather here. Its set to warm up to 24c next week.
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Old 09-14-2014, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Was doing a search on my Lemon plant to see when I brought it inside last year for first time. I came across this crazy post. Wow! Forgotten how low it went that far south.

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5 degrees.... then not even 4 days later - thunderstorms. Isn't that just lovely.
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Old 09-14-2014, 06:10 AM
 
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I made this in 2011...

Weak El Nino with Warm PDO combo gives State College PA 5 feet of snow on average.
Only 4 times since 1950 this combo has happened.

69-1970: 89.9”
76-1977: 40.8”
77-1978: 98.2”
04-2005: 36.2”

The least amount of snow on average is with moderate Nino and cold PDO.
Well that's just depressing.
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Old 09-15-2014, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Dr. Doug at The Weather Network shows their first draft of their Winter Forecast.

Video with link mentions Pacific waters and some analog years they feel matches their thoughts..

News - El Niño and its impact on Winter 2014/15: "Pattern resembles what we saw last winter" - The Weather Network


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Old 09-15-2014, 05:35 AM
 
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^^

Based on SST's that's exactly the pattern I envision for this winter. Ridge in the west and block over Greenland will cause above normal temps there, and sink the jet south in eastern CONUS. Now what role will El Nino play? That's a wild card right now.


It's also noteworthy that one of netweather's analog years is 1976/77. January 77 was the coldest on record here.

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Old 09-15-2014, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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Was doing a search on my Lemon plant to see when I brought it inside last year for first time. I came across this crazy post. Wow! Forgotten how low it went that far south.
At least in that case there was a reward at the end. I can't even buy a thunderstorm in SUMMER let alone a few days after the cold snap.
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Old 09-15-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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CFSv2 is on crack....





Bastardi explains that the US model is putting a trough right over the North Pacific which has well above average SST's and it doesn't make sense.


He agrees with the Japanese model which puts a trough to the east of that, and thus pumps a ridge over the Northwestern US, and ultimately promotes a trough over the eastern two thirds of CONUS



^^

Again, I think that the Japanese model is right. We will be colder than average, but the anomalies out east will be even greater than the Midwest... Boston/NYC/Philly maybe even DC will see one heck of a winter (by their standards), as well as some pretty impressive snows. IMHO.


The Jamstec puts most of the US in an icebox this winter.... Much like last winter. I don't know if it will be THAT cold.

Interesting article by those WeatherTrends360 guys about the over the top hype over this coming winter.

A lot of the article is about global warming blah blah. I'm not interested in that. I'm only interested in the bottom of the article where they say that 10 models call for warm winter in US. They still feel it will not be nearly as harsh as last year, and that the polar jet will stay in Canada. Love to see a debate between them and Bastardi cause they agree totally on AGW, but disgree on this coming winter.

10 Predictions vs Reality and the Winter 2014-2015 Hype - Blog - weathertrends360
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