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There was a TV show on once that had a timeline and tried to reenact what was known. Maybe it's out there somewhere?
Given that half of what's on the Internet is false, who knows about these rumors. I found this through Google and don't know how accurate the source is: December 23, 1996: The Ramseys host a Christmas party, with approximately 30 guests attending, and with former journalism professor Bill McReynolds playing Santa Claus.
At 6:47 p.m., someone attending the party placed a 911 call, which was answered by police dispatcher Therese Hilleary. The caller hung up without saying anything. Police call back only to get the Ramsey's anwering machine. Officer "B.O. 266" goes to the home at 6:54 p.m. and leaves at 7:09 p.m., after being assured that there was no emergency.
December 24, 1996: The Ramseys attend twilight service at St. John's Episcopal Church in Boulder.
At 9 p.m., John Ramsey retrieves a brand new silver girl's bike stored in neighbor Joe Barnhill's garage and places it under the Christmas tree for JonBenét.
December 25, 1996: The Ramseys attend a Christmas dinner at 5:00 p.m at the Fleet White residence. After the family returns home, JonBenét is carried? to bed at about 9:30 p.m. The family had plans to fly to Michigan early the next morning.
Sometime before dawn, JonBenét is killed; her skull is fractured, she is strangled with a cord, duct tape is put over her mouth, and her body is placed downstairs in a small windowless room in the basement. She is wrapped in a blanket, with the ligature still around her neck, head uncovered, and her arms above her head.
December 26, 1996: Patsy Ramsey calls the police at 5:52 A.M., shouting "send help!" and saying that her daughter is missing and that a 2½ page ransom note demanding $118,000 had been left by the kidnapper on the steps of the back stairs leading to the kitchen.
The note begins: "Dear Mr. Ramsey, We have your daughter..." and includes the words "behead" and "attaché." It was printed in block letters with a "Sharpie" felt tipped pen. Four misspellings in the note appear to be intentional. Patsy Ramsey screams for John and they check Burke's room, but JonBenét is not in there. Patsy begins to phone friends.
Friends begin gathering at the home almost immediately. Police arrive at approximately 6:00 A.M and perform a cursory search of the premises. A window in the basement was found broken with a suitcase underneath. There is no other indication of forced entry. They contact the FBI and begin making plans to deal with the kidnapper. A detective does not arrive until two hours later.
This thread has only added to the questions I have about what happened to JonBenet. There were several things mentioned in this thread that I had never heard of: a neighbor committing suicide (I don't remember this being reported),
Do you have some more details or a link to this information?
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as well as a few things that seem inaccurate (that there were hundreds of burglaries in the neighborhood in the months before the murder (that would have been big news in Boulder)
I remember seeing an archived newspaper from pre-12/25/96 about burglaries in Boulder. I am looking through google news archives but I can't find it.
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3. Why was there a hang up call from the Ramsey house to 911 the night before the murder?
For anyone who doesn't know about this---One December 23, the Ramseys held a Xmas party at their house. During the party, someone called 911 but hung up the phone. The police sent someone to the house to make sure everyone is okay. Susan Stine, a friend of the Ramseys, refused to let the police in the house. I don't think she even opened the door. She just insisted to them that everyone was okay. No one knows who made the call. There is some speculation that someone made it to test how long it would take the police to get to the house. Others think that JonBenet made it after being molested at the party. Some people think JBR was molested at the party because she told the man who played Santa's wife that she didn't feel pretty. It would make sense if she felt that way after being violated. Maybe the molester told JonBenet not to tell her parents, so JonBenet decided to tell someone else---the police.
The 911 hangup call has always been strange to me. It's significant that 2 days later, JonBenet is murdered. Why hasn't anyone admitted to making that call? There was probably drinking at the party so if an adult got a little loopy, then why not just admit that they made it? Or if one of the little kids did it as a joke or saw JBR doing it as a joke, why not say something? It makes me think more and more that there is some sinister meaning behind this hang up call.
For anyone who doesn't know about this---One December 23, the Ramseys held a Xmas party at their house. During the party, someone called 911 but hung up the phone. The police sent someone to the house to make sure everyone is okay. Susan Stine, a friend of the Ramseys, refused to let the police in the house. I don't think she even opened the door. She just insisted to them that everyone was okay. No one knows who made the call. There is some speculation that someone made it to test how long it would take the police to get to the house. Others think that JonBenet made it after being molested at the party. Some people think JBR was molested at the party because she told the man who played Santa's wife that she didn't feel pretty. It would make sense if she felt that way after being violated. Maybe the molester told JonBenet not to tell her parents, so JonBenet decided to tell someone else---the police.
The 911 hangup call has always been strange to me. It's significant that 2 days later, JonBenet is murdered. Why hasn't anyone admitted to making that call? There was probably drinking at the party so if an adult got a little loopy, then why not just admit that they made it? Or if one of the little kids did it as a joke or saw JBR doing it as a joke, why not say something? It makes me think more and more that there is some sinister meaning behind this hang up call.
Thanks for posting this...Why would the family friend refuse to let the police in the house? Where were John and Patsy? If the police showed up at my door during a party because someone dialed 911 from my home, I'd be concerned.
I've always thought theres a connection between JonBennets murder and the Christmas party.
Traveler92 - this is the post I was referring to when I said I had never heard about the neighbor:
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If the police had immediately started looking for the killer, that person probably would have been found. In fact, there was a neighbor who committed suicide not long after JonBenet was murdered. Such a tragedy that they went after her parents. I'm certain Patsy is in heaven with her now.
I noticed in the autopsy report a reference to an A&E Documentary dated 7-9-98 "Who Killed JonBenet" by Michael Tracy and David Mills so perhaps that is the TV show I remember with the timeline.
I had forgotten about the suitcase under the broken window.
Some more questions I have:
Couldn't they determine for sure whether or not the strangulation occurred before or after death?
Was either Patsy or John's oldest daughter ever sexually abused?
What was the alibi for the oldest son?
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Was either Patsy or John's oldest daughter ever sexually abused?
Patsy and John didn't have an older daughter together. John and his former wife Lucinda Pasch had a daughter, Elizabeth Pasch Ramsey, who died at age 22 in an automobile accident in 1992. Elizabeth was an airline stewardess. She and her boyfriend, who was at the wheel of the car, both died after their car collided with a bakery truck near Chicago during bad weather. She died of massive internal injuries. JonBenet is buried next to her.
Patsy and John didn't have an older daughter together. John and his former wife Lucinda Pasch had a daughter, Elizabeth Pasch Ramsey, who died at age 22 in an automobile accident in 1992. Elizabeth was an airline stewardess. She and her boyfriend, who was at the wheel of the car, both died after their car collided with a bakery truck near Chicago during bad weather. She died of massive internal injuries. JonBenet is buried next to her.
I guess I didn't phrase that clearly enough - I was asking two questions: 1) if Patsy Ramsey was or 2) if John's oldest daughter was (from his first marriage)
Traveler92 - this is the post I was referring to when I said I had never heard about the neighbor:
I noticed in the autopsy report a reference to an A&E Documentary dated 7-9-98 "Who Killed JonBenet" by Michael Tracy and David Mills so perhaps that is the TV show I remember with the timeline.
I had forgotten about the suitcase under the broken window.
Some more questions I have:
Couldn't they determine for sure whether or not the strangulation occurred before or after death?
Was either Patsy or John's oldest daughter ever sexually abused? What was the alibi for the oldest son?
John and Cindy Ramsey separated in 1977 and divorced the next year. Cindy Ramsey got the house, the 1977 Oldsmobile Cutlass station wagon and custody of their children: Elizabeth, 8; Melinda, 6; and John Andrew, 11. John Ramsey got the 1969 Oldsmobile, the tape deck and generous visitation.
Cindy Ramsey, who has since remarried, has declined requests for interviews, as have their children.
John Andrew Ramsey. The son was 20 at the time of the tragic death of JonBenet. After moving back to Atlanta, the Ramseys confessed to a friend that they thought "the brother" had committed the rape and murder. The tabloids headlined this as an accusation against JonBenet's full brother Burke, who now became a suspect in the public's eyes.
RAMSEY BOOKS
Nearly a dozen books have been published about the JonBenét Ramsey case. Here's a sampling:
- "JonBenét: Inside the Murder Investigation," by former Boulder police Detective Steve Thomas and Don Davis.
- "Death of Innocence," by John and Patsy Ramsey
- "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," by Lawrence Schiller
- "Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey? A Leading Forensic Expert Uncovers the Shocking Facts," by Cyril H. Wecht, Charles Bosworth Jr.
- "A Mother Gone Bad: The Hidden Confession of JonBenét's Killer," by Andrew G. Hodges
- "A Little Girl's Dream? A JonBenét Ramsey Story," by Eleanor Von Duyke and Dwight Wallington
- "Presumed Guilty: An Investigation into the JonBenét Ramsey case, the Media and the Culture of Pornography," by Stephen Singular
- "JonBenét's Mother: The Tragedy and the Truth!" by Linda Edison McLean
- "Death of a Little Princess: The Tragic Story of the Murder of JonBenét Ramsey," by Carlton Smith
- "JonBenét's Gift: A Miracle for the Millennium," by Jane Gray Stobie
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But even without the DNA or blood tests, that blood still tells us something important: the little girl had fought back, and scratched the face of her attacker. That means that anyone without scratches on his or her face could not have been the killer.
How could they say it was the face? You can't get that simply from the presence of blood.
Personally, it's always smelled like a cover-up of some sort; like the family knew what happened. The ransom note has many specific parts which suggest the Ramsey's wrote it, not the least of which it's one of the longest ransom notes ever, and uses specific unusual phrases which came up in the Ramsey's own speech patterns more than once.
My suggestion...Daddy was abusing JonBenet, mommy caught them together and got jealous, blames the spoiled little princess, and accidentally or deliberately killed the little girl in a fit of rage, and the father had to help cover it up to keep his own abuse of JonBenet hidden. Brother doesn't talk because he knows what happens to 'bad little children'.
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