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Nairobi, I've read the entire thread from start to finish. You've been spoiling for a fight from page one, with anyone who posted any opinion you didn't share.
Pot, meet kettle.
I'm Nairobi. That's what I do. Everyone here knows that I'm quite the spirited controversialist. That's not news. I was merely questioning why you were doing it, since earlier you had insisted that this was just light-hearted debate that you didn't take too seriously.
I'm Nairobi. That's what I do. Everyone here knows that I'm quite the spirited controversialist. That's not news. I was merely questioning why you were doing it, since earlier you had insisted that this was just light-hearted debate that you didn't take too seriously.
I'm Kathryn. I enjoy debating and discussing a wide variety of topics.
In fact - it's what I do.
Please don't assume that just because I'm discussing something with you, that I'm taking it very seriously.
This is fun, even though I AM starting to drive my husband a little crazy with this!
OK, here are some more visuals, and more information that shows some differences between East Texas and the Deep South:
I am assuming we can agree that slavery had a significant impact on the culture of both East Texas and the Deep South. Here is an interesting map showing the concentration of slaves in the south in 1860:
LOL, I thought this was a funny City-Data poll - "What is the most "southern" state?" Texas didn't even rate a spot on the poll - not even EAST Texas! (Now, that's not my position - Texas is definitely a southern state - but the poll was about the character of the states, not whether or not the states were a part of the Confederacy). https://www.city-data.com/forum/gener...-state-15.html
The concentration of plantations in each state is also indicative of a strong common cultural influence. Check out this article from a travel source:
"Locations
All of the Southern states had plantations, including what Matrana refers to as the Upper South: Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee. Many of the plantations you can visit today are located in the Deep South, including South Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi." Southern Plantation Tours | Travel Tips - USAToday.com
What - no mention of East Texas? Why, Ah NEVAH! Fiddle Dee Dee!
How many East Texans know the difference between a muscadine and a scuppernong? (DON'T CHEAT!) And speaking of food items, I can't find any decent fatback anywhere around here. Anyone have any suggestions? I live near Tyler.
Before we go any further, I'd like to make a comment about Southern accents, since that seemed to strike a nerve a few posts back. DEEP East Texas accents near the coast are similar to Gulf Coast accents all the way to Florida. There are also some similarities in culture. But Gulf Coast culture is not the same as Deep South culture - though of course there's some overlap, the closer one gets to the coast. Hence you see Mardi Gras celebrations all along the coast. But Mardi Gras has not historically been celebrated much throughout the Deep South once you get away from the Gulf Coast.
Back to some visuals:
Here's a map of "Islamic Terrorist Groups" in the US. Apparently folks from the Deep South don't put up with such foolishness, even in major metropolitan areas, while Deep Texas folks do:
Anyone from the Deep South knows that the concentration of Krystal Burger locations is indicative of the level of Southern gentility. Here's a map of Krystal locations:
Speaking of Deep South foods - here's where people eat the most grits:
Concentration of Cowboy Churches in Deep South states:
Louisiana - 18
Mississippi - 5
Alabama - 12
Georgia - 16
South Carolina - 5
This whole cowboy thing? Not too common a mindset in the Deep South. And it's a HUGE part of East Texas culture.
Most East Texans have never even imagined boiling peanuts and eating them, though this is very common in Deep South states:
"Southern United States
Boiled peanuts are widely consumed and commercially available in an area of the Southern United States from southern North Carolina south to central Florida and west to Mississippi, (i.e., much of the Deep South). [1] Despite being a prominent peanut-growing state, Virginia does not support a native boiled peanut-eating tradition. The peanuts are sold in the hull and either boiled with only salt or with a piquant spice mixture. The latter are often called "Cajun boiled peanuts". " Boiled peanuts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I grew up eating boiled peanuts in Louisiana, Alabama, and Georgia. I lived in East Texas for twenty years before I FINALLY found hot, fresh boiled peanuts at a stand at Canton Trade Days a couple of years ago. Saw 'em there one time. Guess there's not much of a market here for boiled peanuts. Pity.
Speaking of boiled peanuts - this discussion board comment says it all: do they eat boiled peanuts in Texas? - CougarBoard.com
Question: "Do they eat boiled peanuts in Texas?" Answer from a Texan: "Never heard of them."
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Boiled peanuts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I grew up eating boiled peanuts in Louisiana, Alabama, and Georgia. I lived in East Texas for twenty years before I FINALLY found hot, fresh boiled peanuts at a stand at Canton Trade Days a couple of years ago. Saw 'em there one time. Guess there's not much of a market here for boiled peanuts. Pity.
Speaking of boiled peanuts - this discussion board comment says it all: do they eat boiled peanuts in Texas? - CougarBoard.com Question: "Do they eat boiled peanuts in Texas?" Answer from a Texan: "Never heard of them."
As a native West Texan, I had never heard of them at all.....and I wonder why I never ran into them in MS, since I worked there for several months back in 1982.
Butter beans and other food I'd never eaten was all over the place, so it surprises me that I never had the opportunity to eat boiled peanuts.
One habit I did bring back with me from my time in the "Deep South" (many trips to NOLA during that time to pick people up at the airport) was "coonass" coffee, French-roasted coffee with chicory. I drink that stuff to this day! Cafe du Monde was the best, but not as easy to get as French Market.
I'll be ordering from Amazon prime, and I just saw that I can get CDM, too! MMMMMMMMM.
Boiled peanuts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I grew up eating boiled peanuts in Louisiana, Alabama, and Georgia. I lived in East Texas for twenty years before I FINALLY found hot, fresh boiled peanuts at a stand at Canton Trade Days a couple of years ago. Saw 'em there one time. Guess there's not much of a market here for boiled peanuts. Pity.
Speaking of boiled peanuts - this discussion board comment says it all: do they eat boiled peanuts in Texas? - CougarBoard.com Question: "Do they eat boiled peanuts in Texas?" Answer from a Texan: "Never heard of them."
As a native West Texan, I had never heard of them at all.....and I wonder why I never ran into them in MS, since I worked there for several months back in 1982.
Butter beans and other food I'd never eaten was all over the place, so it surprises me that I never had the opportunity to eat boiled peanuts.
One habit I did bring back with me from my time in the "Deep South" (many trips to NOLA during that time to pick people up at the airport) was "coonass" coffee, French-roasted coffee with chicory. I drink that stuff to this day! Cafe du Monde was the best, but not as easy to get as French Market.
I'll be ordering from Amazon prime, and I just saw that I can get CDM, too! MMMMMMMMM.
You go, girl!
Boiled peanuts are not as common in Mississippi as they are in Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. A couple of years ago my native East Texan husband and I drove from East Texas to Florida. I was ON POINT for the first boiled peanut stand, let me tell you! We saw several in Louisiana but then they disappeared till we got to Alabama.
Mississippians don't know what they're missing! (neither do Texans, for that matter!) And CANNED boiled peanuts DO NOT COUNT.
I love me some coonass coffee, especially Cafe du Monde -you've got excellent taste. Community Coffee also makes a great line of chickory coffee.
I remember back a few years ago, I could not manage to lose the last ten stubborn pounds after having a baby. I went to the doctor and he asked me what I was eating and drinking all day. My food consumption was at about 1000 calories a day, and I don't drink sodas, so we were stumped until he asked me "Do you drink iced tea?" "Well, of COURSE." I said, and then it dawned on me - those six or so glasses per day were sweetened with pure cane sugar. No TELLING how many calories a day that added up to!
When I moved to Texas about twenty years ago, I can't tell you how many times someone said to me, "You aren't from Texas, are you?" Now - how did they know that? Probably the same way I can see the differences between East Texas and the other states in question. I mean, it didn't make me mad or anything - I LOVE East Texas and the people, and they apparently love me because I've settled in very well. I am thankful every day that I made it here, married a native (cowboy) and settled into Texas life.
Lol, this woman still doesn't get it. Oh, well. Some folks just can't be taught.
Oh, I get it. I'm just not buying it.
Hi, I'm Kathryn. Nice to meet you, Nairobi. I like it here, so I guess I'll be sticking around. We'll probably run into each other again on this forum.
Boiled peanuts are not as common in Mississippi as they are in Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. A couple of years ago my native East Texan husband and I drove from East Texas to Florida. I was ON POINT for the first boiled peanut stand, let me tell you! We saw several in Louisiana but then they disappeared till we got to Alabama.
Mississippians don't know what they're missing! (neither do Texans, for that matter!) And CANNED boiled peanuts DO NOT COUNT.......
I love me some coonass coffee, especially Cafe du Monde -you've got excellent taste. Community Coffee also makes a great line of chickory coffee.
I remember back a few years ago, I could not manage to lose the last ten stubborn pounds after having a baby. I went to the doctor and he asked me what I was eating and drinking all day. My food consumption was at about 1000 calories a day, and I don't drink sodas, so we were stumped until he asked me "Do you drink iced tea?" "Well, of COURSE." I said, and then it dawned on me - those six or so glasses per day were sweetened with pure cane sugar. No TELLING how many calories a day that added up to!
When I moved to Texas about twenty years ago, I can't tell you how many times someone said to me, "You aren't from Texas, are you?" Now - how did they know that? Probably the same way I can see the differences between East Texas and the other states in question. I mean, it didn't make me mad or anything - I LOVE East Texas and the people, and they apparently love me because I've settled in very well. I am thankful every day that I made it here, married a native (cowboy) and settled into Texas life.
LOL!! Sounds like you've settled in nicely......
I have never liked sweet tea, and the amount that people spoon in (or make ahead of time with sugar syrup) just makes me gag, LOL! I am not really a fan of most other food labeled "Southern" (grits, red beans and rice, dirty rice, fried catfish, greens drowned in salt pork grease, etc.).
The accents are definitely very telling. Someone from far West Texas (I'm assuming a native, not transplants) has a different "Texas accent" from someone in deep East Texas. The lower part of ET (what I have been calling "deep") sounds much like Louisiana to me. Upper East Texas (Paris, et al) seems like a different world altogether, but I haven't been to either area in over 30 years!
I used to order CDM by the case from NOLA, and it was dirt cheap at that time, as well as being in the regular grocery stores in Brandon, MS. I could get CDM, French Market and Luzianne as well.
Here in NM, I can only get French Market (and not even the City Roast, which is the darkest), so I'll be ordering it again soon!
I have never liked sweet tea, and the amount that people spoon in (or make ahead of time with sugar syrup) just makes me gag, LOL! I am not really a fan of most other food labeled "Southern" (grits, red beans and rice, dirty rice, fried catfish, greens drowned in salt pork grease, etc.).
The accents are definitely very telling. Someone from far West Texas (I'm assuming a native, not transplants) has a different "Texas accent" from someone in deep East Texas. The lower part of ET (what I have been calling "deep") sounds much like Louisiana to me. Upper East Texas (Paris, et al) seems like a different world altogether, but I haven't been to either area in over 30 years!
I used to order CDM by the case from NOLA, and it was dirt cheap at that time, as well as being in the regular grocery stores in Brandon, MS. I could get CDM, French Market and Luzianne as well.
Here in NM, I can only get French Market (and not even the City Roast, which is the darkest), so I'll be ordering it again soon!
And apparently, most of the people here, as well as anyone with a decent amount of reasoning skills wouldn't buy yours either. I'm sure there's millions of folks who agree with you, and I would hope that they would be able to present their points a lot better than you. Seriously, you're all over the place.
Terrorist group maps? Really?? Get it together, hun.
Edit: I do think I took myself and my opinion too seriously, though. Even this website, which brands itself as "Deep South USA" doesn't even fit the most accepted definition of the term.
This particular topic is likely one that will never see a real concensus, so no harm is really done by letting people believe what they want.
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