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I stand corrected. And WOW GSP (and Anderson) is MUCH more populated than I knew.
Its funny because you really wouldnt think there were that many people up there but the CSA there is a huge area and has multiple centers spread out all over the upstate rather than a single urban core that sprawls out like Columbia's (even though Columbia is a bit smaller) or Louisville, KY. Thats why most of the time they refer to is as Upstate, SC rather than Greenville or GSP because even though Greenville is usually looked upon as the largest city, the upstate has so many other independent but sizable cities and towns that make up that number.
Its funny because you really wouldnt think there were that many people up there but the CSA there is a huge area and has multiple centers spread out all over the upstate rather than a single urban core that sprawls out like Columbia's (even though Columbia is a bit smaller) or Louisville, KY. Thats why most of the time they refer to is as Upstate, SC rather than Greenville or GSP because even though Greenville is usually looked upon as the largest city, the upstate has so many other independent but sizable cities and towns that make up that number.
It is a very large area, over 100 miles of interstate. Using that CSA number is an overstatement of the areas true size. It looks good on paper but the reality is way different.
It is a very large area, over 100 miles of interstate. Using that CSA number is an overstatement of the areas true size. It looks good on paper but the reality is way different.
Well for what it's worth, Columbia's CSA is about 100 miles along I-26 from the Newberry county line to Orangeburg's. Not sure what you're driving at here. The Upstate has an additional MSA outside the main MSA. Not better or worse, just different than the other regions in the state.
Well for what it's worth, Columbia's CSA is about 100 miles along I-26 from the Newberry county line to Orangeburg's. Not sure what you're driving at here. The Upstate has an additional MSA outside the main MSA. Not better or worse, just different than the other regions in the state.
Newberry to Orangeburg is roughly 70 miles. Blacksburg to the Georgia line is roughly 110 miles, all of which is in the Greenville CMSA. Like I said, the number looks good on paper but does not represent the true size. Greenville's MSA is 842k going to a CMSA of 1.4m (larger than Memphis, Oklahoma City, Burmingham etc......). The increase is 550k residents or a growth of 65%. Columbia grows 17% from MSA to CMSA, charleston grows in the same neighborhood. Charlotte grows less than that between the definitions.
That's why trying to suggest this is a meaningful number that represents the size of Greenville is not true, it is very distorted. Greenville's CMSA is a collection of counties along 85 which have very little in common. Charleston, Columbia, Charlotte etc are better represented by the numbers.
Well for what it's worth, Columbia's CSA is about 100 miles along I-26 from the Newberry county line to Orangeburg's. Not sure what you're driving at here. The Upstate has an additional MSA outside the main MSA. Not better or worse, just different than the other regions in the state.
I don't think anyone is really driving at anything he per say other than that because of the nature of the region up there, it doesn't feel like it would have that many people because they are so spread out into different urban areas, no better no worse just different.
Newberry to Orangeburg is roughly 70 miles. Blacksburg to the Georgia line is roughly 110 miles, all of which is in the Greenville CMSA. Like I said, the number looks good on paper but does not represent the true size. Greenville's MSA is 842k going to a CMSA of 1.4m (larger than Memphis, Oklahoma City, Burmingham etc......). The increase is 550k residents or a growth of 65%. Columbia grows 17% from MSA to CMSA, charleston grows in the same neighborhood. Charlotte grows less than that between the definitions.
That's why trying to suggest this is a meaningful number that represents the size of Greenville is not true, it is very distorted. Greenville's CMSA is a collection of counties along 85 which have very little in common. Charleston, Columbia, Charlotte etc are better represented by the numbers.
Nobody from here made these rules. The people who did probably don't post here. So who are they? What are the rules that dictate cmsa?
Nobody from here made these rules. The people who did probably don't post here. So who are they? What are the rules that dictate cmsa?
CSA, you have to have between 15% and 25% of an adjoining county's population commuting into the core county (or counties) of the adjoining MSA to be considered a CSA. So because less than 25% but more than 15% of Spartanburg County commutes into Greenville County, so thats why its the Greenville- Spartanburg CSA and also explains why that area is so spread out as well since Cherokee County has over 15% commuting into Spartanburg Co.
The Upstate just has a lot of independent cities and towns scattered across the Upstate rather than one major urban core.
As a matter of fact according to the SC Commerce Labor Analysis for Newberry County, 25.4% commute into either Lexington or Richland Counties so therefore we are now the Columbia- Newberry MSA with a population of 822,466.
In addition to that, 14.8% of Sumter County commutes into either Lexington or Richland County, meaning that the next time they evaluate the CSAs, it will be the Columbia-Orangeburg-Sumter CSA with a population of 1,017,741.
Nobody from here made these rules. The people who did probably don't post here. So who are they? What are the rules that dictate cmsa?
Some numbers need clarification. Unlike most places, the upstate is a large area strung together by an interstate. Instead of the counties being centered about one area or forming a triangle, the upstate is a line of counties tied together by an interstate. The rules work for most places, GSP is a much harder to define area. It benefits on paper by being hard to define and folks like to tout those numbers suggesting it is a major metro when in reality, it is a place that feels much smaller than even the metro numbers suggest. It's simple, linking roughly 10 counties which are spread in a line 110 miles and calling it a CMSA stretches the definition on a comparative basis. If you believe those numbers, you are saying that Greenville is over half the size of Charlotte, that is clearly not true.
So people shouldn't read into this data until you've clarified it right? Don't start with the Charlotte stuff again. I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't won't to hear it. We've all admitted that Charlotte is much bigger. So there really is no need.
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